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Hey! Over here!
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Please!
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911, what is the address
of your emergency?
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Waukesha County,
I'm gonna transfer over
a caller on Big Bend.
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That's a dead end
just south of Rivera.
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Okay.
He came upon
a 12-year-old female.
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She appears
to have been stabbed.
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She appears to be what?
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Stabbed.
Stabbed?
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Correct.
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On Saturday, May 31st, 2014,
at approximately 9:50 a.m.,
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the Waukesha
Police Department
was notified
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by a concerned
citizen
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that a 12-year-old girl
was stabbed
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in the area
of Big Bend Road
in the city of Waukesha.
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The stabbing brought a huge
police presence to the area,
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a major search
by ground and air
looking for two other girls.
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Anissa Weier
and Morgan Geyser
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are accused
of stabbing their friend
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and leaving her for dead.
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Weier and Geyser lured Payton
into the woods
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Police say that's when Geyser,
holding the knife,
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was told by Weier,
"Go ballistic, go crazy."
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And what happened?
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Payton said,
"Then she started."
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Geyser began to stab
the 12-year-old,
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as she screamed, 19 times
with a five-inch blade.
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In the arms,
legs, and torso.
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One of the knife wounds
missed a major artery
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near her heart
by just a millimeter.
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Payton somehow survived.
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She crawled out
of those woods.
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A bicyclist found her
on the sidewalk,
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covered in blood
and begging for help.
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When asked who attacked her,
she said, "My best friend."
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Police say the suspects
were inspired by a character
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on a website
called Creepypasta,
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a site filled
with scary stories.
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Now, the story they followed
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was about a character
called Slenderman.
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A tall, fictional boogeyman
featured on Internet blogs.
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Slenderman, a faceless ghoul
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many parents have likely
never heard of.
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If you don't know
who Slenderman is--
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well, we didn't either,
but plenty of young kids do.
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If you don't know
who Slenderman is,
you live under a rock.
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Who's that?
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Run! Run! Run!
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Oh my god, run! No, run!
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Oh my god!
Oh my god!
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Anissa Weier and Morgan Geyser
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were found walking
near the interstate.
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They later told police
they planned to walk
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to Slenderman's mansion.
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Police say it's also who
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the young suspects claimed
they wanted to please.
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Anissa felt as though
she needed to prove
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that Slenderman existed
and would be able to do that
by killing somebody.
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And Morgan said
that her family would be
in danger if they didn't.
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Prosecutors have charged
the girls as adults.
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If convicted on the charges,
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each 12-year-old faces
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up to 65 years in prison.
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Did it seem
to you at any point during
your interview with Morgan
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that she was remorseful
about what she had done?
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Absolutely none.
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Did she cry at all at any point
during your interview of her?
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There was no emotion
from her at all.
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Did you, after discussing
the incident itself,
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have any conversation
with Payton
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about how she felt
about Morgan and Anissa
at this point?
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She said
that Morgan should go to jail
for the rest of her life...
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and that Anissa should
go to jail too, but not as long
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because she was involved
but she didn't stab her.
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She just stood there
and watched.
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Hi, Morgan.
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Hi, Morgan.
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Morgan was a surprise.
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And I didn't know how to feel
about it at first...
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but I knew that I loved her.
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Yay!
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And she changed
our lives drastically
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and for the better.
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Morgan's always been quirky,
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and she's always marched
to the beat of her own drum.
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Even from--
from little on...
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she didn't care
what people think about her,
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which I think is
a wonderful trait,
especially for-- for a girl.
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Girls are usually so--
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so self-conscious
and concerned about--
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about what others think of them,
and Morgan was never like that.
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You know, she just...
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She always just did
her own thing,
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and if people didn't like it,
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well, that was
their problem.
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Kitties and puppies
aren't wild animals.
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No, that's right.
They're not. They're pets.
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I had a camera in her face
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for a good portion
of her childhood,
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so I think she got sick
of it sometimes.
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She got a real
miniature baby grand piano
for Christmas one year.
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And she would sit there
for quite a long time,
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just making up
sweet little songs.
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And we tried
to capture as many of them
as we could on video,
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but usually as soon
as she realized that
we were paying attention
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or recording her,
she would stop.
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♪ They'll stay stray forever ♪
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One thing about Morgan
that always struck us...
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as a little...
odd was that she...
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She didn't react the way
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that you would
expect her to react...
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like at the movies.
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Like, if something bad happened
to the main character, she...
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she wouldn't
have empathy for them.
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♪ ♪
Bambi, come here!
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Look.
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New spring grass.
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I remember watching "Bambi"
with her for the first time.
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We were so worried
to watch it with her,
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because we thought
she was gonna be so upset
when-- when the mother died.
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♪ ♪
Bambi, quick! The thicket!
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Faster! Faster, Bambi!
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Don't look back!
Keep running! Keep running!
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But the mother died,
and Morgan just said,
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"Run Bambi, run!
Get out of there,
save yourself!"
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You know?
And she wasn't sad about it.
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We made it!
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We made it, Mother!
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We...
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Mother!
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And I could think of...
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a lot of other examples
along those lines
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where she hasn't reacted
in the way
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that we would expect
a little girl to react.
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We were aware that Morgan
was interested in Slenderman.
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She would show us
some of the characters
and some of the stories.
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While I wasn't thrilled
about her interest,
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I didn't really see
the harm in it either.
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We never thought
for a moment that she...
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She could possibly believe
that it was real.
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When I was
Morgan's age, I--
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I remember
biking home from the library
with Stephen King's "It."
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You know, so I liked
that sort of thing too
when I was her age,
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and I think most kids
her age do like scary stories
and horror movies and...
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scary stories
on the Internet, you know?
So, that's all that we--
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that's all that
we thought that it was.
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I just can't imagine her...
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I can't imagine her coming up
with that plan on her own.
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♪ My bonnie... ♪
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♪ My bonnie lies
over the ocean ♪
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♪ My bonnie
lies over the sea ♪
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♪ My bonnie lies
over the ocean ♪
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♪ So bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
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♪ Bring back, bring back ♪
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♪ Oh, bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
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♪ Bring back! ♪
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♪ Bring back ♪
♪ Back ♪
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♪ Oh, bring back
my bonnie to me ♪
♪ Bonnie... me ♪
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She lost
a tooth, so the tooth fairy
gave her a dollar.
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It was that tooth.
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I was telling her--
I was like, "A dollar?"
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I said,
"I only ever got quarters
from the tooth fairy."
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She was happy.
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The tooth fairy
gave her a dollar.
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This was
the last video
I have.
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This was at the end of her
sixth grade year for school.
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♪ Hush, hush,
somebody's callin' my name ♪
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♪ Hush! Somebody's
callin' my name ♪
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♪ Hush, hush,
somebody's callin' my name ♪
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♪ Oh my Lord, oh my Lord,
what should I do? ♪
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Yes, this is Anissa's
very pink bedroom.
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At the time
that we painted this,
pink was the thing.
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Anissa's his person.
Tiger is Anissa's cat.
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After Anissa left...
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he would come up here
and he'd spend a lot of time
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just walking around,
nosing around,
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looking for Anissa.
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You know, nobody uses...
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the bed while she's gone.
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I don't know,
maybe the cat does, but...
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I guess it just made more sense
to take everything apart
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and wash it
and when she comes home,
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it's all clean
and ready to go.
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It's just a matter of when.
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She would come
in here to practice choir.
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She did projects
that she would have to FaceTime
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with two or three
different kids
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from this flight academy class
she was in.
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'Cause I'd pop in
on a regular basis.
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I'd just you know,
"What are you doing?"
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I see a face on the iPad.
"Okay, who are you talking to?"
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You know, "What are
you guys working on?"
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And then you know, most days...
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you know, 7:30, "Anissa,
you're done with your iPad.
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Shut it down,
come downstairs,
be with your family."
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And she never argued.
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People have asked me if I saw
any signs in my daughter
and this and that.
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And I'm just like,
"No. I knew what
she was doing in here.
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Because when she wasn't doing
her choir practice,
that door was open."
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You know, all of the kids--
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not just Anissa,
all of them--
they know...
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there's no closed doors
in this house unless you're...
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fresh out of the shower
or getting ready for bed.
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So...
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for people to say...
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I wasn't involved...
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Apart from sitting
in the corner and watching
every move she makes,
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I don't know how much
more involved I could've been.
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My focus is Anissa...
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not Slenderman.
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And what is your name?
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Anissa Weier.
Anissa, okay.
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Okay, Just kind of...
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give me a look.
Give me a look.
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Morgan.
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How you doing?
Fine.
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Come on up.
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Morgan, all right.
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Hmm.
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Okay.
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All rise, please.
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I thank you. Please be seated.
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Court will call the matter,
State of Wisconsin versus
Morgan E. Geyser
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and also State versus
Anissa E. Weier.
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Good morning.
The case is here today
on a number of matters.
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The first matter
I'll address is the issue
of... competency.
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They're glad--
they're--
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Uhh...
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So...
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There was a sleepover
the prior night
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for Morgan's 12th birthday.
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We knew that
there was Anissa, Morgan,
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and a third girl
that we've never met...
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and that they were all
at Morgan's house.
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Morgan and Anissa have
only known each other
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since they started
sixth grade.
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They met because they--
they rode the same bus.
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♪ ♪
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We were so happy
that Morgan had made
a good friend
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so-- so close, someone else
in the neighborhood.
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(sniffles) We were--
we were so happy for her...
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to have someone
to play with.
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♪ ♪
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(Trussoni speaks
on video)
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(sniffles)
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Uh-huh.
Okay.
320
00:22:24,292 --> 00:22:27,459
My name is Bella,
and I was nominated
321
00:22:27,542 --> 00:22:30,292
to do the Ice Bucket Challenge
for ALS by...
322
00:22:30,375 --> 00:22:33,751
Morgan and Bella have known
each other since kindergarten,
323
00:22:33,834 --> 00:22:37,459
and they've been best friends
since fourth grade.
324
00:22:37,542 --> 00:22:40,000
Man:
Are you guys ready?
I guess.
325
00:22:40,083 --> 00:22:41,209
Man: Let's go.
One, two, three.
326
00:22:41,292 --> 00:22:46,083
One, two, three.
(woman moans)
327
00:22:46,167 --> 00:22:47,918
(screams)
Oh my god!
328
00:22:50,292 --> 00:22:52,375
(Casey speaking)
329
00:22:53,751 --> 00:22:55,375
(Morgan speaks)
330
00:23:01,709 --> 00:23:02,751
Umm...
331
00:23:09,375 --> 00:23:10,667
(crying)
332
00:23:16,042 --> 00:23:17,042
Okay.
333
00:23:28,167 --> 00:23:29,626
♪ ♪
334
00:23:32,334 --> 00:23:34,125
(Anissa speaking
on video)
335
00:23:44,125 --> 00:23:45,417
(Casey speaks)
336
00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:47,667
(Morgan speaks)
337
00:24:07,751 --> 00:24:10,125
(Trussoni speaks
on video)
338
00:24:12,209 --> 00:24:13,250
Anissa:
Umm...
339
00:24:23,751 --> 00:24:25,250
♪ ♪
340
00:24:33,792 --> 00:24:34,959
(clears throat)
341
00:25:32,876 --> 00:25:36,209
♪ ♪
342
00:25:39,667 --> 00:25:41,792
(Anissa speaking)
343
00:26:18,667 --> 00:26:20,334
(Morgan speaks
matter-of-factly)
344
00:26:45,876 --> 00:26:46,959
(sniffles)
345
00:26:55,500 --> 00:26:57,459
♪ ♪
346
00:27:05,584 --> 00:27:07,584
(Skype startup noise)
347
00:27:07,667 --> 00:27:10,083
(ringing)
348
00:27:13,792 --> 00:27:15,042
Irene:
Hello, Dr. Zipes!
349
00:27:15,125 --> 00:27:18,626
I-- I don't have--
I-- uh, wait.
350
00:27:21,167 --> 00:27:23,000
(clicks)
Hello?
351
00:27:23,083 --> 00:27:25,667
Actually, the quality
seems fine on my end.
352
00:27:25,751 --> 00:27:29,751
And yeah, my Skype is
just not having it today.
353
00:27:29,834 --> 00:27:31,792
You-- have we started now?
354
00:27:31,876 --> 00:27:35,375
Irene:
Yes, yes.
When-- when did we start?
355
00:27:35,459 --> 00:27:36,626
Man: Hello.
Hello.
356
00:27:36,709 --> 00:27:38,334
Man:
How are you?
Good.
357
00:27:38,417 --> 00:27:39,709
Man:
Who are you
Skyping with?
358
00:27:39,792 --> 00:27:42,500
Someone-- I'm getting
interviewed for a documentary.
359
00:27:42,584 --> 00:27:46,626
Okay, then--
what-- so let's start--
start with the question then.
360
00:27:46,709 --> 00:27:49,334
♪ ♪
361
00:28:00,876 --> 00:28:04,042
Trevor Blank:
Slenderman is
the modern-day boogeyman.
362
00:28:06,500 --> 00:28:09,042
Because it's faceless,
because it's quiet,
363
00:28:09,125 --> 00:28:10,876
because it doesn't speak words,
364
00:28:10,959 --> 00:28:12,876
it's open to a lot
of interpretation
365
00:28:12,959 --> 00:28:15,876
and open
to a lot of possibilities
and to a lot of projection.
366
00:28:15,959 --> 00:28:18,167
It varies
from person to person
367
00:28:18,250 --> 00:28:20,751
as to what
Slenderman actually is.
368
00:28:20,834 --> 00:28:22,667
♪ ♪
369
00:28:22,751 --> 00:28:24,918
He's the creature
that lives in my closet.
370
00:28:27,292 --> 00:28:30,626
He's the guy
in the windowless white van.
371
00:28:31,918 --> 00:28:35,751
The faceless stranger
who kidnaps kids.
372
00:28:45,375 --> 00:28:46,667
It encapsulates,
symbolically,
373
00:28:46,751 --> 00:28:48,584
a lot of these other
kind of societal fears
374
00:28:48,667 --> 00:28:50,500
that we've had
for ages and ages
375
00:28:50,584 --> 00:28:52,250
and kind of conveniently
wraps them up
376
00:28:52,334 --> 00:28:54,209
and makes it really malleable.
377
00:28:54,292 --> 00:28:58,667
Because, really,
Slenderman can be whomever
you want him to be.
378
00:29:06,459 --> 00:29:07,459
(mouse clicks)
379
00:29:07,542 --> 00:29:10,083
♪ ♪
380
00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:12,709
(keyboard clacking)
381
00:29:38,375 --> 00:29:39,584
(mouse clicks)
382
00:29:50,375 --> 00:29:52,000
Blank:
We can empirically look back
383
00:29:52,083 --> 00:29:54,834
and find out where
Slenderman was created.
384
00:29:54,918 --> 00:29:57,751
It was created
in 2009 by Eric Knudsen
385
00:29:57,834 --> 00:29:59,792
under the screen name
"Victor Surge"
386
00:29:59,876 --> 00:30:01,834
as part
of a Photoshop contest
387
00:30:01,918 --> 00:30:03,042
to try to create something
388
00:30:03,125 --> 00:30:05,209
that looked real
that really wasn't.
389
00:30:07,292 --> 00:30:11,375
Brad Kim:
Urban legends on the Internet
has been a thing for decades.
390
00:30:11,459 --> 00:30:13,209
♪ ♪
391
00:30:13,292 --> 00:30:14,834
There was already
a base audience
392
00:30:14,918 --> 00:30:18,375
that was ready
for a globalized project
393
00:30:18,459 --> 00:30:21,083
to kind of build a myth.
394
00:30:23,459 --> 00:30:25,959
It actually began
with the games
395
00:30:26,042 --> 00:30:27,959
that spun off
from Slenderman.
396
00:30:28,042 --> 00:30:29,959
♪ ♪
397
00:30:30,042 --> 00:30:32,334
It's so heavily
visually oriented
398
00:30:32,417 --> 00:30:36,375
that it's replicable
without really having
399
00:30:36,459 --> 00:30:39,167
to understand
too much cultural context.
400
00:30:39,250 --> 00:30:41,751
(footsteps)
(crickets chirping)
401
00:30:41,834 --> 00:30:43,417
Kim:
And from there,
402
00:30:43,500 --> 00:30:47,083
it spread
to every available platform
403
00:30:47,167 --> 00:30:48,792
and medium on the web.
404
00:30:50,250 --> 00:30:51,292
Tumblr...
405
00:30:52,292 --> 00:30:53,334
DeviantArt...
406
00:30:54,292 --> 00:30:56,042
YouTube...
407
00:30:56,125 --> 00:30:58,542
and also the 4chan's
Paranormal Board.
408
00:30:59,459 --> 00:31:00,792
All of these websites have
409
00:31:00,876 --> 00:31:06,167
a really strong affinity
with fan art in general.
410
00:31:06,250 --> 00:31:09,500
(mouse clicks)
(man breathes heavily,
speaks German)
411
00:31:12,542 --> 00:31:14,334
(speaks German)
412
00:31:16,250 --> 00:31:18,125
"Slender is coming"?
413
00:31:20,167 --> 00:31:21,250
(speaks German)
414
00:31:22,417 --> 00:31:25,292
Kim: YouTube was
the international hub
415
00:31:25,375 --> 00:31:27,167
for non-English speakers
416
00:31:27,250 --> 00:31:29,667
to kind of break their way
into the myth.
417
00:31:29,751 --> 00:31:31,292
(man speaks Spanish)
418
00:31:31,375 --> 00:31:32,876
(man 2 speaks Spanish)
419
00:31:33,959 --> 00:31:35,584
(man 2 breathing hard)
420
00:31:35,667 --> 00:31:36,834
(speaks Spanish)
421
00:31:39,959 --> 00:31:41,751
(Kike speaks)
422
00:31:41,834 --> 00:31:43,959
(grunts)
(distortion)
423
00:31:47,417 --> 00:31:48,500
(retches)
(mouse clicks)
424
00:31:48,584 --> 00:31:50,417
♪ ♪
425
00:31:50,500 --> 00:31:53,250
Kim:
Creepypasta is
this generic term
426
00:31:53,334 --> 00:31:55,334
for horror stories
that gets copied
427
00:31:55,417 --> 00:31:56,792
then pasted because it's good.
428
00:31:56,876 --> 00:32:00,042
As it spreads,
people start tweaking
429
00:32:00,125 --> 00:32:03,292
some parts of the story
or pick up where
they left off.
430
00:32:05,334 --> 00:32:07,667
These are stories
that branched out
431
00:32:07,751 --> 00:32:11,709
of the main canon
of Slenderman.
(mouse clicks)
432
00:32:11,792 --> 00:32:14,751
(piano music playing)
433
00:32:14,834 --> 00:32:17,292
Woman:
"Oh, should I travel
through the woods,
434
00:32:19,459 --> 00:32:21,959
"Or should I not
wishing I would?
435
00:32:23,209 --> 00:32:26,250
"For above me
lurks within the trees
436
00:32:27,375 --> 00:32:30,542
"No one could hear
my deathly screams
437
00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:35,209
"The palest man,
the blackest suit
438
00:32:35,292 --> 00:32:37,667
"Bigger than the tallest brute
439
00:32:41,542 --> 00:32:44,042
"Six black arms
will grab you up
440
00:32:44,125 --> 00:32:46,667
"Or stalk you
till you just give up
441
00:32:48,959 --> 00:32:52,083
"He'll leave your body
not to eat
442
00:32:52,167 --> 00:32:56,083
But to staple
your corpse upon a tree."
443
00:32:56,167 --> 00:32:58,167
(static)
444
00:32:58,250 --> 00:33:02,334
"Fear the man,
the Slenderman
445
00:33:02,417 --> 00:33:04,834
For he can do
what no one can."
446
00:33:04,918 --> 00:33:06,542
♪ ♪
447
00:33:09,751 --> 00:33:12,459
Blank:
Slenderman kind
of represents an opportunity
448
00:33:12,542 --> 00:33:16,167
to see where people
are nervous
449
00:33:16,250 --> 00:33:18,292
about certain things
and what excites them
450
00:33:18,375 --> 00:33:21,292
and what brings them together,
because it changes.
451
00:33:21,375 --> 00:33:23,417
It changes based
on who's telling the story.
452
00:33:23,500 --> 00:33:25,709
♪ ♪
453
00:33:29,667 --> 00:33:31,167
Often in the adult world
454
00:33:31,250 --> 00:33:33,792
we forget how much
it sucks to be a kid.
455
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,834
Slenderman can also be seen
as a guardian angel.
456
00:33:41,042 --> 00:33:44,918
Slenderman is
the Grim Reaper
457
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,792
but with a heart.
458
00:33:50,209 --> 00:33:52,500
These pictures are not
so much him showing up
459
00:33:52,584 --> 00:33:55,834
on the playground
to snatch kids away,
but to rescue them.
460
00:34:02,125 --> 00:34:03,792
Stories like this can be
461
00:34:03,876 --> 00:34:06,209
a powerful aphrodisiac for--
462
00:34:06,292 --> 00:34:09,667
for somebody who is lonely
or is troubled,
463
00:34:09,751 --> 00:34:11,667
or is trying to find
their way in the world.
464
00:34:11,751 --> 00:34:14,042
♪ ♪
465
00:34:17,542 --> 00:34:20,459
Slenderman has
this entire community
of people online
466
00:34:20,542 --> 00:34:22,459
who are feeding
into the narrative
467
00:34:22,542 --> 00:34:23,834
and creating
their own versions of it.
468
00:34:23,918 --> 00:34:26,918
It's constantly--
it's exponentially growing.
469
00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:29,751
♪ ♪
470
00:34:34,792 --> 00:34:37,042
Richard Dawkins:
That's the definition
of a good meme.
471
00:34:39,500 --> 00:34:41,250
In human culture,
472
00:34:41,334 --> 00:34:45,792
if it's copied
from one brain to another,
473
00:34:45,876 --> 00:34:47,083
that's a meme.
474
00:34:47,167 --> 00:34:48,417
Hi, my name is Valerie,
475
00:34:48,500 --> 00:34:50,959
and I've decided to do
the Ice Bucket Challenge.
476
00:34:51,042 --> 00:34:53,667
I'm doing the ALS
Ice Bucket Challenge.
477
00:34:53,751 --> 00:34:58,000
I'm here to join
the people bringing attention
to Lou Gehrig's disease.
478
00:35:02,959 --> 00:35:04,375
Dawkins:
It can be an idea.
479
00:35:04,459 --> 00:35:07,959
It can be a tune.
It can be a style of dancing.
480
00:35:08,042 --> 00:35:10,083
Woman: Tired?
Cameraman:
What do you think he's doing?
481
00:35:10,167 --> 00:35:12,083
Planking.
Cameraman:
Oh, you know?
482
00:35:12,167 --> 00:35:13,459
Woman:
Yeah, I do.
Cameraman: Yes!
483
00:35:13,542 --> 00:35:15,959
Woman:
I am from the Internet.
(men laugh)
484
00:35:16,042 --> 00:35:17,959
Dawkins:
The Internet provides
485
00:35:18,042 --> 00:35:20,792
a very, very fast,
efficient, universal,
486
00:35:20,876 --> 00:35:24,834
worldwide medium
for memes to spread.
487
00:35:24,918 --> 00:35:26,125
That'll never catch on.
488
00:35:26,209 --> 00:35:28,125
(anchors laugh)
No doubt.
489
00:35:29,626 --> 00:35:32,292
Dawkins:
There may be
some memes that spread
490
00:35:32,375 --> 00:35:36,876
like a very rapid epidemic
and then die away.
491
00:35:37,792 --> 00:35:40,459
But others may have
strong persistence.
492
00:35:40,542 --> 00:35:42,792
(humming)
493
00:35:46,167 --> 00:35:50,334
People are
captivated
by Slenderman
494
00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:56,375
and wish to pass on images
or to modify images of him.
495
00:35:56,459 --> 00:35:57,542
(distortion, static)
496
00:35:59,250 --> 00:36:02,834
This horrifying story
of two girls who thought
497
00:36:02,918 --> 00:36:05,918
that it was
their duty to Slenderman
to go and kill someone.
498
00:36:07,709 --> 00:36:09,626
Well, that's what
I call power.
499
00:36:11,918 --> 00:36:15,542
That's very substantial power,
very horrific power.
500
00:36:16,500 --> 00:36:19,125
(static)
501
00:36:27,167 --> 00:36:28,626
(clicking)
502
00:36:30,334 --> 00:36:33,167
Jack Zipes:
Unconsciously,
Slenderman stems
503
00:36:33,250 --> 00:36:36,417
from a tradition that--
that goes way, way back.
504
00:36:40,542 --> 00:36:45,876
To a great extent,
the Brothers Grimm
collected tales that deal
505
00:36:45,959 --> 00:36:51,000
with what I would call
universal human struggles
506
00:36:51,083 --> 00:36:53,125
that we continue
to have today.
507
00:36:53,209 --> 00:36:55,042
I think that's
one of the reasons
508
00:36:55,125 --> 00:36:58,709
why people are
responding to this tale,
509
00:36:58,792 --> 00:37:00,459
and they're telling
their own versions,
510
00:37:00,542 --> 00:37:01,959
their own horror stories
511
00:37:02,042 --> 00:37:05,626
about what is happening
in the world today.
512
00:37:07,292 --> 00:37:10,292
Slenderman is
a tale about a character,
513
00:37:10,375 --> 00:37:14,292
a strange weird character,
who may feed upon children.
514
00:37:15,834 --> 00:37:17,584
It made me think of a legend
515
00:37:17,667 --> 00:37:20,042
that Jacob
and Wilhelm Grimm collected
516
00:37:20,125 --> 00:37:23,417
called "The Pied Piper
of Hamelin."
517
00:37:25,876 --> 00:37:31,083
Many years ago a town was
being devastated by rats--
518
00:37:31,167 --> 00:37:33,459
in the gutters...
on the streets...
519
00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:35,751
in the cellars.
520
00:37:38,584 --> 00:37:40,459
The Pied Piper comes
out of nowhere.
521
00:37:40,542 --> 00:37:45,167
And he's a very odd,
strange-looking person,
522
00:37:46,667 --> 00:37:48,334
but he has a flute
523
00:37:48,417 --> 00:37:51,792
or some type of pipe
that he plays.
524
00:37:53,792 --> 00:37:58,792
The man said,
"If you want me to get rid
of the rats, you must pay me."
525
00:37:58,876 --> 00:38:01,959
So they said, "Yes,
as much as you want
526
00:38:02,042 --> 00:38:03,918
if you can get rid
of the rats."
527
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:08,083
The Piper began
blowing on the pipe.
528
00:38:08,167 --> 00:38:10,584
The rats began following.
529
00:38:10,667 --> 00:38:12,459
♪ ♪
530
00:38:16,626 --> 00:38:22,042
The Piper had all the rats
jump into the river.
531
00:38:26,375 --> 00:38:29,667
But the mayor
and the councilmen
cheat him.
532
00:38:29,751 --> 00:38:31,709
And the Piper said,
"You know,
533
00:38:31,792 --> 00:38:33,959
"there are
other tunes
I can pipe
534
00:38:34,042 --> 00:38:35,959
"and ways that
I can repay you
535
00:38:36,042 --> 00:38:38,292
in a way that
you will never forget."
536
00:38:38,375 --> 00:38:40,667
♪ ♪
537
00:38:43,083 --> 00:38:45,834
So the Piper took
his pipe to his lips again
538
00:38:45,918 --> 00:38:48,167
and he began piping.
(children playing)
539
00:38:48,250 --> 00:38:53,417
The people froze,
but the children
followed him.
540
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:59,334
There was an opening,
541
00:38:59,417 --> 00:39:02,417
a sudden opening
in the mountain.
542
00:39:02,500 --> 00:39:06,709
And all the children headed
toward this opening.
543
00:39:06,792 --> 00:39:09,918
And as the last one entered,
544
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,417
the mountain closed,
545
00:39:12,500 --> 00:39:15,918
and the Piper
went inside as well.
546
00:39:19,125 --> 00:39:20,334
(booms)
547
00:39:21,834 --> 00:39:27,209
Depending on the times
and the person who is
telling their version
548
00:39:27,292 --> 00:39:29,000
of "The Pied Piper,"
549
00:39:29,083 --> 00:39:31,209
he can be
many different things.
550
00:39:31,292 --> 00:39:32,542
(squeaking)
(stomps)
551
00:39:32,626 --> 00:39:34,876
(polka music plays)
552
00:39:34,959 --> 00:39:38,417
(lively music plays)
553
00:39:38,500 --> 00:39:41,751
(hypnotic music plays)
554
00:39:42,834 --> 00:39:45,375
So he is
a very mysterious figure.
555
00:39:45,459 --> 00:39:48,667
We don't know
whether he's evil or good.
556
00:39:48,751 --> 00:39:52,250
We don't know
whether he's going to do
anything to these children.
557
00:39:52,334 --> 00:39:54,125
The children never return.
558
00:39:54,209 --> 00:39:56,000
Nobody ever hears about them.
559
00:39:56,083 --> 00:39:59,626
(ominous music playing)
560
00:40:04,959 --> 00:40:07,000
But the Pied Piper
does live on.
561
00:40:36,584 --> 00:40:37,959
♪ ♪
562
00:40:46,083 --> 00:40:47,125
(Casey speaks)
563
00:40:51,709 --> 00:40:53,334
(Morgan speaks)
564
00:40:56,042 --> 00:40:57,334
Umm...
565
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,375
(car driving)
566
00:41:04,459 --> 00:41:06,167
(Angie sighs)
567
00:41:06,250 --> 00:41:09,542
It's almost like
she was living a whole
nother life inside her head
568
00:41:09,626 --> 00:41:13,334
that we just--
that we just didn't know about.
569
00:41:20,334 --> 00:41:23,209
It's hard with kids because...
570
00:41:23,292 --> 00:41:26,584
they don't necessarily
know how to differentiate
571
00:41:26,667 --> 00:41:30,167
between fantasy
and reality to begin with.
572
00:41:31,500 --> 00:41:33,417
So, it's just hard to know...
573
00:41:33,500 --> 00:41:35,500
where-- where to draw the line.
574
00:41:35,584 --> 00:41:37,375
Where does that become...
575
00:41:38,959 --> 00:41:40,042
abnormal?
576
00:41:42,709 --> 00:41:43,918
So even though, you know,
577
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,584
looking back,
maybe there were some signs.
578
00:41:48,250 --> 00:41:50,292
It's everything in retrospect.
579
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:04,542
It's been two months
to the day on the calendar
580
00:42:04,626 --> 00:42:09,751
that she's been
in Washington County
Juvenile Detention Center.
581
00:42:10,876 --> 00:42:12,083
The first day was rough.
582
00:42:12,167 --> 00:42:13,459
You know, you get in there...
583
00:42:15,042 --> 00:42:18,876
you have to learn
all your check-in procedures
and everything.
584
00:42:21,125 --> 00:42:24,125
You know, you get back there,
and you don't know
what to expect.
585
00:42:24,209 --> 00:42:27,626
There's you,
there's a pane of glass
with metal bars behind it,
586
00:42:27,709 --> 00:42:30,584
and then...
there's our daughter.
587
00:42:30,667 --> 00:42:32,167
That's how it works.
588
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,417
(Trussoni speaks)
589
00:42:38,500 --> 00:42:40,042
(Anissa speaks)
590
00:43:01,167 --> 00:43:02,292
(mouse clicks)
591
00:43:04,250 --> 00:43:06,125
(mouse wheel clicking)
592
00:43:20,709 --> 00:43:22,209
(clicks)
(clatters)
593
00:43:24,918 --> 00:43:26,000
(keyboard clacks)
594
00:43:31,334 --> 00:43:32,792
(mouse clicks)
595
00:43:32,876 --> 00:43:36,459
♪ ♪
This is the first time
we are trying this.
596
00:43:36,542 --> 00:43:38,959
We got him something.
He doesn't know yet.
597
00:43:39,042 --> 00:43:41,125
It's a little mouse.
You can see him in there.
598
00:43:41,209 --> 00:43:44,751
You ready?
It's the circle of life, okay?
599
00:43:44,834 --> 00:43:46,667
Right, Cole?
Yep.
600
00:43:46,751 --> 00:43:49,042
It's just like
"The Lion King."
(laughs) Yeah.
601
00:43:49,125 --> 00:43:50,209
Woman:
Let's see how he reacts.
602
00:43:50,292 --> 00:43:53,042
It's the same color as the--
as the bathtub.
603
00:43:53,125 --> 00:43:56,709
Look, baby.
Look, baby, look.
604
00:43:56,792 --> 00:43:58,417
See if he notices it.
605
00:44:01,834 --> 00:44:02,751
(mouse clicks)
606
00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:05,500
(heavy metal music playing)
607
00:44:24,125 --> 00:44:26,959
(music stops)
Man: My voice is
going to take you
608
00:44:27,042 --> 00:44:29,918
to a very calm
and peaceful place.
609
00:44:30,042 --> 00:44:34,334
♪ ♪
(distortion, static)
610
00:44:34,417 --> 00:44:35,709
Man:
So this part,
611
00:44:35,792 --> 00:44:39,083
striking into
any soft tissue
in the body--
612
00:44:39,167 --> 00:44:41,209
the eyes, the cheeks,
613
00:44:41,292 --> 00:44:42,667
cut right through the blood
614
00:44:42,751 --> 00:44:44,000
and air vessels into the throat,
615
00:44:44,083 --> 00:44:45,709
get it in and out,
in and out, in and out.
616
00:44:45,792 --> 00:44:47,834
Kids:
Meow, meow, meow!
617
00:44:47,918 --> 00:44:49,250
Man:
So with the first one,
why do you think
618
00:44:49,334 --> 00:44:51,834
the pig passed out
when the kitten was put on it?
619
00:44:52,876 --> 00:44:55,000
(mouse clicking)
Woman:
He's playing with it.
620
00:44:55,083 --> 00:45:00,000
♪ Dog goes woof,
cat goes meow,
bird goes-- ♪
621
00:45:00,083 --> 00:45:02,876
Ah! Why do you
stick a baby
622
00:45:02,959 --> 00:45:06,250
in the blender
feet first?
623
00:45:06,334 --> 00:45:09,334
(demonic voice) So you can see
the expression on it's face.
624
00:45:09,417 --> 00:45:11,751
(maniacal laughter)
625
00:45:14,083 --> 00:45:16,083
(mouse clicks)
(helicopter whirring)
626
00:45:17,209 --> 00:45:18,292
(keyboard clacks)
627
00:45:31,542 --> 00:45:34,083
(mouse clicks)
(music plays)
628
00:45:34,167 --> 00:45:36,334
Shh.
(pounds)
629
00:45:37,584 --> 00:45:38,918
(slurping)
630
00:45:45,375 --> 00:45:47,626
I don't know if I should say,
"I hope you enjoyed it,"
631
00:45:47,709 --> 00:45:49,626
but there's the circle
of life for you.
632
00:45:49,709 --> 00:45:52,542
Talk to you later.
Thanks for watching.
633
00:45:52,626 --> 00:45:54,083
♪ ♪
634
00:45:54,167 --> 00:45:55,209
(mouse clicks)
635
00:45:58,417 --> 00:46:01,292
♪ ♪
636
00:46:06,542 --> 00:46:08,667
(water dripping)
637
00:46:17,167 --> 00:46:19,083
Kristi:
Ever since she got that iPad,
638
00:46:19,167 --> 00:46:23,125
she liked to spend
a lot of private time
up in her room and...
639
00:46:23,209 --> 00:46:26,209
she watched a lot
of things that were...
640
00:46:28,584 --> 00:46:30,042
funny to her.
641
00:46:30,125 --> 00:46:32,542
Nothing that
was gross,
642
00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:37,042
or depressing,
and emotionally degrading...
643
00:46:38,500 --> 00:46:42,751
She liked--
that iPad just gave her a way
644
00:46:44,209 --> 00:46:47,500
kind of not to--
to socialize with the family.
645
00:46:48,459 --> 00:46:50,292
And I totally...
646
00:46:52,375 --> 00:46:53,834
regret the iPad.
647
00:46:55,167 --> 00:46:59,167
Anissa showed me
a picture once.
648
00:46:59,250 --> 00:47:00,667
She was in her bedroom,
649
00:47:00,751 --> 00:47:03,709
and I went up to see
what she was doing,
and I looked.
650
00:47:03,792 --> 00:47:06,751
It was a picture
of this Slenderman character
651
00:47:06,834 --> 00:47:08,334
and Jack Skellington.
652
00:47:08,417 --> 00:47:10,459
♪ ♪
653
00:47:10,542 --> 00:47:16,459
At the time,
it doesn't seem to be anything
inherently dangerous.
654
00:47:16,542 --> 00:47:20,459
I had no inklings
that I would need
to research this further.
655
00:47:21,709 --> 00:47:22,918
The iPads will be moving
656
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:25,209
into elementary school levels
this year.
657
00:47:25,292 --> 00:47:29,792
So, at least,
our fifth-grade son is going
to be coming home with one.
658
00:47:31,334 --> 00:47:32,459
His own.
659
00:47:36,751 --> 00:47:41,959
Tom Haynes:
So this is the yearbook
from Anissa's fifth grade year.
660
00:47:43,918 --> 00:47:45,876
(chuckles)
And this is what Anissa wrote.
661
00:47:45,959 --> 00:47:48,709
it says, "You're like
a second dad to me."
662
00:47:49,751 --> 00:47:51,584
So that was really sweet.
663
00:47:51,667 --> 00:47:53,876
It's kind of tough
looking back on it,
664
00:47:53,959 --> 00:47:57,375
'cause if she felt that strong,
you know, just...
665
00:47:59,918 --> 00:48:01,417
maybe I could have done
something else.
666
00:48:06,751 --> 00:48:11,417
Anissa was definitely
one of the biggest
outliers I've had
667
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:15,834
just because she had
no solid connections
668
00:48:15,918 --> 00:48:19,000
with other
4th and 5th-graders.
669
00:48:19,083 --> 00:48:23,459
Anissa would definitely cry
once every couple weeks,
I would want to say.
670
00:48:23,542 --> 00:48:27,751
Mostly about... kids
being mean to her at school.
671
00:48:27,834 --> 00:48:31,918
She wouldn't
be able to contain herself
in front of the whole class,
672
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:33,959
and sometimes
she would just cry.
673
00:48:34,042 --> 00:48:35,959
So other kids
were aware of her...
674
00:48:37,292 --> 00:48:39,876
emotions,
and being upset.
675
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:42,834
And there's times
she would come in
from lunch/recess
676
00:48:42,918 --> 00:48:46,375
and cry about
not having friends.
677
00:48:48,250 --> 00:48:52,500
I've guessed that Anissa made
a connection with Morgan
678
00:48:52,584 --> 00:48:55,209
and was happy
that they both were
into Slenderman,
679
00:48:55,292 --> 00:48:57,125
was happy that
she made a new friend,
680
00:48:57,209 --> 00:48:59,083
shared a connection,
shared interest,
681
00:48:59,167 --> 00:49:03,083
and it may have spiraled
out of control from there.
682
00:49:03,167 --> 00:49:05,667
(classical score playing)
683
00:49:07,375 --> 00:49:10,876
(no discernible dialog)
684
00:49:28,125 --> 00:49:29,918
(mouse clicks)
(keyboard clacks)
685
00:49:31,626 --> 00:49:33,876
♪ ♪
686
00:49:35,876 --> 00:49:38,209
Abigail Baird:
You couldn't set up
a better system to fail
687
00:49:38,292 --> 00:49:40,417
In terms of "No one
at school likes you,
688
00:49:40,500 --> 00:49:42,542
"but here's this
open-ended monster
689
00:49:42,626 --> 00:49:44,167
who will embrace you."
690
00:49:45,375 --> 00:49:47,375
The worst time
to be socially isolated
691
00:49:47,459 --> 00:49:51,959
is the time when
your brain and body
are begging for camaraderie,
692
00:49:52,042 --> 00:49:54,834
for kinship,
which is adolescence.
693
00:49:54,918 --> 00:49:56,876
It's the hardest time
to be alone.
694
00:49:58,083 --> 00:50:00,250
I think in the absence
of social contact,
695
00:50:00,334 --> 00:50:02,918
the Internet
can sometimes serve
696
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,083
as a peer in a way,
or a peer group.
697
00:50:07,626 --> 00:50:10,667
Those two girls
in a tight-knit group
of eight friends,
698
00:50:10,751 --> 00:50:12,250
I don't think
this would've happened,
699
00:50:12,334 --> 00:50:14,375
because they wouldn't
have only been talking
to each other
700
00:50:14,459 --> 00:50:16,125
and they wouldn't
have been relying so heavily
701
00:50:16,209 --> 00:50:18,083
on information
from the Internet.
702
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:23,125
(engine starts)
703
00:50:36,792 --> 00:50:40,584
Kristi:
Bill and I separated
in the summer of 2012.
704
00:50:43,334 --> 00:50:46,626
It was my decision.
I asked for a divorce.
705
00:50:46,709 --> 00:50:48,792
But when a situation
got really bad,
706
00:50:48,876 --> 00:50:52,083
he was willing to still
be there and stuff.
707
00:51:06,626 --> 00:51:09,375
(turn signal clicking)
708
00:51:10,792 --> 00:51:12,584
She's not allowed to see
her brother or sister.
709
00:51:12,667 --> 00:51:16,959
She's not allowed
to see any aunts or uncles,
or cousins or anything,
710
00:51:17,042 --> 00:51:20,167
so I wanted to have
as many people
711
00:51:20,250 --> 00:51:22,834
as she could have
as often as possible.
712
00:51:28,083 --> 00:51:32,709
I try to bring her mentally
out of the environment
713
00:51:32,792 --> 00:51:37,000
and try to bring her
some sunshine in her day.
714
00:51:37,083 --> 00:51:40,083
But then when I leave,
I kind of feel...
715
00:51:42,959 --> 00:51:47,250
I feel happy
that I was able to see her
716
00:51:47,334 --> 00:51:52,125
and... make her smile
for a few minutes in a day.
717
00:51:52,209 --> 00:51:54,417
But on the other hand,
I'm still kind of sad
718
00:51:54,500 --> 00:51:58,334
that I'm leaving
without my daughter, and...
719
00:51:59,792 --> 00:52:04,792
The drive home is
sometimes heart-breaking...
720
00:52:04,876 --> 00:52:08,876
but... I know
that I'll be coming up
721
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:10,709
and seeing her
in a couple days anyways,
722
00:52:10,792 --> 00:52:13,083
and I'll just repeat
the performance and--
723
00:52:13,167 --> 00:52:19,375
(sniffles)
and hopefully, someday,
this might be my last trip
724
00:52:19,459 --> 00:52:21,834
and-- and...
725
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:25,417
And then
she'll be home for good.
726
00:52:25,500 --> 00:52:28,334
But that might be
a while off.
727
00:52:33,751 --> 00:52:35,876
(musical ringtone plays)
728
00:52:35,959 --> 00:52:38,918
Computer: You have
a prepaid call from...
Anissa: Anissa...
729
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,292
Computer: An inmate at...
Man:
Washington County Jail.
730
00:52:42,375 --> 00:52:43,792
Computer:
This call will be recorded
731
00:52:43,876 --> 00:52:46,250
and subject
to monitoring
at any time.
732
00:52:46,334 --> 00:52:48,375
You may begin speaking now.
733
00:52:48,459 --> 00:52:49,584
(Anissa speaks)
734
00:52:49,667 --> 00:52:52,292
Hello, Anissa.
So, how was your day?
735
00:52:57,834 --> 00:52:58,918
Yeah?
736
00:53:00,209 --> 00:53:01,542
Define "pretty good."
737
00:53:14,292 --> 00:53:15,792
Do you know
who's sitting here?
738
00:53:17,375 --> 00:53:19,751
Yep, Tyler's sitting here.
Tyler: Hi!
739
00:53:21,083 --> 00:53:22,500
(Bill laughs)
How are you?
740
00:53:25,584 --> 00:53:27,125
I've been...
741
00:53:28,250 --> 00:53:30,292
pretty good
despite the cold.
742
00:53:31,292 --> 00:53:32,667
Hi, Ani!
743
00:53:34,626 --> 00:53:35,667
(laughs)
744
00:53:36,667 --> 00:53:37,709
What's up?
745
00:53:45,542 --> 00:53:47,626
Anissa! Anissa.
746
00:53:49,292 --> 00:53:50,918
We can all tell
you're a little spun up.
747
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:53,167
Are you excited
to be talking to everybody?
748
00:53:54,584 --> 00:53:55,667
Yeah?
749
00:54:10,834 --> 00:54:13,334
Hey, hey hey! Anissa!
(laughter)
750
00:54:15,876 --> 00:54:17,500
Dial it back a notch.
751
00:54:17,584 --> 00:54:21,834
So, besides what
you've already like mentioned,
752
00:54:21,918 --> 00:54:23,375
what's up with you?
753
00:54:36,959 --> 00:54:38,000
Okay.
754
00:54:39,292 --> 00:54:41,250
Anissa: Yeah.
Just don't smile too much.
755
00:54:41,334 --> 00:54:42,459
Computer:
One minute remaining.
756
00:54:42,542 --> 00:54:44,125
All right,
we've got one minute,
757
00:54:44,209 --> 00:54:45,876
so you have a good night.
758
00:54:48,292 --> 00:54:50,167
Love you too.
759
00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:53,959
All right?
And I will see you tomorrow.
760
00:54:54,042 --> 00:54:57,709
So-- all right.
Computer: Thank you
for using IC solutions.
761
00:54:57,792 --> 00:54:58,876
Goodbye.
And there you have it.
762
00:55:00,083 --> 00:55:01,834
♪ ♪
763
00:55:36,292 --> 00:55:38,250
(Tiger meows)
764
00:55:49,500 --> 00:55:52,375
♪ ♪
765
00:55:56,042 --> 00:55:58,584
(murmuring)
766
00:56:06,459 --> 00:56:08,792
(chains clinking)
767
00:56:10,375 --> 00:56:13,042
(cameras clicking)
768
00:56:28,626 --> 00:56:30,626
Maggie:
I don't know where
769
00:56:30,709 --> 00:56:33,959
the whole Slenderman thing...
770
00:56:34,042 --> 00:56:37,500
started because
Anissa never talked about
anything like that.
771
00:56:37,584 --> 00:56:41,125
Nobody ever talked
about Slenderman.
772
00:56:41,209 --> 00:56:44,959
Unless she was, like,
constantly Internet surfing,
773
00:56:45,042 --> 00:56:48,876
she never really showed me
anything that was bad...
774
00:56:50,209 --> 00:56:52,959
or anything scary.
775
00:56:53,042 --> 00:56:56,417
She-- she is
easily frightened, though.
776
00:56:56,500 --> 00:56:59,334
(woman coughs)
(camera clicking)
777
00:56:59,417 --> 00:57:04,167
Maybe she did it
because she wanted
to be noticed.
778
00:57:04,250 --> 00:57:07,500
Because, honestly,
at her school
779
00:57:07,584 --> 00:57:10,667
I didn't know that
she didn't have many friends.
780
00:57:10,751 --> 00:57:14,667
She told me
that she had lots of friends,
lots of guys liked her,
781
00:57:14,751 --> 00:57:17,292
and a bunch of--
and she was accepted,
782
00:57:17,375 --> 00:57:19,751
and she was having
a great time at school.
783
00:57:19,834 --> 00:57:23,834
But... she was
constantly picked on,
784
00:57:23,918 --> 00:57:28,834
and she never really fit in.
She was a follower.
785
00:57:30,876 --> 00:57:32,542
Bailiff:
All rise.
786
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:36,792
Bohren:
Okay, thank you.
Please be seated.
787
00:57:38,083 --> 00:57:41,375
Maggie:
I think some kids
are just...
788
00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:44,209
big believers.
789
00:57:44,292 --> 00:57:47,792
They can't help but believe
everything they hear.
790
00:57:51,292 --> 00:57:53,918
(rustles)
791
00:57:54,000 --> 00:57:55,876
Officer: Do you swear
to tell the truth,
the whole truth,
792
00:57:55,959 --> 00:57:57,417
and nothing but the truth,
so help you God?
793
00:57:57,500 --> 00:57:59,542
Yes, I do.
Attorney:
In this case
794
00:57:59,626 --> 00:58:03,500
were you assigned
to interview the victim,
Payton Leutner?
795
00:58:03,584 --> 00:58:04,751
Yes, I was.
796
00:58:04,834 --> 00:58:08,167
Attorney:
At some point, your discussion
got into the area
797
00:58:08,250 --> 00:58:11,167
of a birthday party
that was planned for Morgan?
798
00:58:11,250 --> 00:58:13,334
Payton said that
the birthday party
799
00:58:13,417 --> 00:58:15,626
had been planned
for several weeks,
800
00:58:15,709 --> 00:58:18,000
and it was for May 30th,
801
00:58:18,083 --> 00:58:21,375
and that they had planned
to go do Skateland
802
00:58:21,459 --> 00:58:23,500
and sleep over
at Morgan's house.
803
00:58:25,375 --> 00:58:26,792
Angie:
They were being
normal little girls.
804
00:58:26,876 --> 00:58:28,375
They were running
up and down the stairs,
805
00:58:28,459 --> 00:58:30,584
holding hands
and giggling.
806
00:58:33,459 --> 00:58:34,500
There was no...
807
00:58:35,334 --> 00:58:38,834
indication that anything
was-- was off
808
00:58:38,918 --> 00:58:40,876
or that we had anything to--
809
00:58:43,417 --> 00:58:45,250
to be worried about.
810
00:58:45,334 --> 00:58:48,334
After Skateland,
they came back to Morgan's house
811
00:58:48,417 --> 00:58:51,042
and they went
into the basement.
812
00:59:26,375 --> 00:59:28,542
(speaks matter-of-factly)
813
00:59:38,334 --> 00:59:39,792
And we-- we woke up
in the morning,
814
00:59:39,876 --> 00:59:44,417
and we had donuts
and strawberries
for breakfast,
815
00:59:44,500 --> 00:59:46,334
and everything
was very normal.
816
00:59:46,417 --> 00:59:48,500
The girls were laughing and...
817
00:59:49,417 --> 00:59:50,918
having a good time.
818
00:59:52,918 --> 00:59:55,751
And they asked
if they could go
to the park,
819
00:59:55,834 --> 00:59:57,667
and I didn't think
anything of it.
820
00:59:57,751 --> 00:59:59,709
I said, "Yeah, of course
you can go to the park."
821
00:59:59,792 --> 01:00:02,334
And, you know,
Morgan said goodbye
822
01:00:02,417 --> 01:00:03,959
and told me
she loved me.
823
01:00:04,042 --> 01:00:07,000
♪ ♪
(breathes shakily)
824
01:00:16,542 --> 01:00:18,584
(Trussoni speaks)
825
01:00:18,667 --> 01:00:20,083
(Anissa speaks)
826
01:00:29,751 --> 01:00:31,209
(Trussoni speaks)
827
01:00:31,292 --> 01:00:32,834
(Anissa speaks)
828
01:00:48,167 --> 01:00:51,834
After playing
on the playground
equipment for a while,
829
01:00:51,918 --> 01:00:55,834
they went into the bathroom,
all three of them.
830
01:00:55,918 --> 01:00:57,459
(Casey speaks
on video)
831
01:00:58,417 --> 01:01:00,709
(Morgan speaks)
832
01:01:02,250 --> 01:01:03,375
(Casey speaks)
833
01:01:12,417 --> 01:01:15,292
(Anissa speaking
on video)
834
01:01:21,667 --> 01:01:23,751
♪ ♪
835
01:01:47,959 --> 01:01:49,250
She didn't want
to go to sleep,
836
01:01:49,334 --> 01:01:51,876
so she didn't sit there
with her eyes closed,
837
01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:56,542
and at some point,
Anissa hit the front
of her head
838
01:01:56,626 --> 01:01:59,459
and caused the back
of her head to...
839
01:02:00,375 --> 01:02:01,709
slam against the wall.
840
01:02:13,209 --> 01:02:14,209
Basically.
841
01:02:25,042 --> 01:02:26,083
(Anissa speaks)
842
01:02:32,042 --> 01:02:36,667
And Morgan said,
"I thought we agreed that
you were going to do this."
843
01:02:37,626 --> 01:02:39,334
Attorney:
Did Payton tell you anything
844
01:02:39,417 --> 01:02:41,709
about what Payton
was thinking about that?
845
01:02:41,792 --> 01:02:44,876
I don't think she understood
what was going on.
846
01:02:45,751 --> 01:02:47,876
(Anissa speaking
on video)
847
01:03:05,542 --> 01:03:07,042
(Trussoni speaking
on video)
848
01:03:11,375 --> 01:03:14,125
(pulling tape)
849
01:03:15,834 --> 01:03:18,042
(gasps)
Thank you!
850
01:03:19,584 --> 01:03:23,000
Boy:
Hey, that's what I wanted.
Ooh.
851
01:03:23,083 --> 01:03:26,042
(boy gasps)
Angie: It's a super-fancy
touch screen one.
852
01:03:26,125 --> 01:03:29,918
I want that one.
It's already charged...
853
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,042
and there's already
some books on it for you.
854
01:03:33,250 --> 01:03:34,542
Wow.
(boy mumbles)
855
01:03:37,083 --> 01:03:38,417
Can we put it together?
856
01:03:38,500 --> 01:03:41,792
Mm-hmm. What do you think?
Pretty cool? Yeah?
857
01:03:41,876 --> 01:03:44,417
Angie:
I had the conversation
with Morgan--
858
01:03:44,500 --> 01:03:47,834
the birds and the bees
conversation.
859
01:03:47,918 --> 01:03:51,000
I explained about
the changes that you
go through during puberty,
860
01:03:51,083 --> 01:03:53,918
and I explained
about getting your period.
861
01:03:54,000 --> 01:03:58,709
And I finish,
and she looks at me,
and she goes,
862
01:03:58,792 --> 01:04:01,083
"Mommy,
I don't think
I believe you."
863
01:04:01,167 --> 01:04:04,292
(laughs)
"That doesn't really happen."
864
01:04:04,375 --> 01:04:06,959
(camera clicks, beeps)
865
01:04:07,042 --> 01:04:09,167
(Angie mutters)
Morgan:
Thank you!
866
01:04:09,250 --> 01:04:10,626
(Angie chuckles)
You're welcome!
867
01:04:10,709 --> 01:04:11,918
(camera clicks, beeps)
868
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,792
Angie:
Morgan did believe
in Santa,
869
01:04:13,876 --> 01:04:16,250
the Tooth Fairy,
and the Easter Bunny,
870
01:04:16,334 --> 01:04:21,209
and actually believed
in Santa until she was 11.
871
01:04:26,542 --> 01:04:28,459
(chuckles)
And I guess I just thought,
872
01:04:28,542 --> 01:04:31,542
"What parent
tells their child
that Santa's not real?
873
01:04:31,626 --> 01:04:35,542
Who's-- who's in a hurry
for their child to grow up?"
874
01:04:35,626 --> 01:04:37,834
♪ ♪
875
01:04:48,250 --> 01:04:50,125
Tyler:
There are a lot
of strange things
876
01:04:50,209 --> 01:04:53,125
in the world
that we just can't explain.
877
01:04:55,334 --> 01:04:58,918
So we just make up things
to try to help explain them.
878
01:05:00,375 --> 01:05:01,792
To believe in something--
879
01:05:01,876 --> 01:05:03,751
I don't know,
the Loch Ness Monster
880
01:05:03,834 --> 01:05:07,417
or the boogeyman--
isn't... that hard
881
01:05:07,500 --> 01:05:10,000
to believe that people
actually do believe it.
882
01:05:10,083 --> 01:05:12,334
♪ ♪
883
01:05:12,417 --> 01:05:18,000
You can't say for sure
that it is real or not.
884
01:05:21,709 --> 01:05:26,417
And I do believe
that they did believe
885
01:05:26,500 --> 01:05:28,626
that it was real.
886
01:05:28,709 --> 01:05:31,250
♪ ♪
887
01:05:38,709 --> 01:05:40,918
Jacqueline Woolley:
What is it about certain kinds
of storybooks
888
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,834
that make kids more
or less likely to believe
that they're real?
889
01:05:45,709 --> 01:05:48,083
What is it about aspects
of the Internet that affects
890
01:05:48,167 --> 01:05:50,709
whether kids think things
on it are real or not real?
891
01:05:52,751 --> 01:05:56,334
I think the concept
of what's real has always
been pretty messy.
892
01:05:58,542 --> 01:06:02,042
Technology is creating
these new situations
893
01:06:02,125 --> 01:06:04,500
in which it's becoming
even messier.
894
01:06:04,584 --> 01:06:08,500
♪ ♪
895
01:06:08,584 --> 01:06:11,417
These two girls,
maybe they were both
strong believers,
896
01:06:11,500 --> 01:06:13,500
but then the fact
that they were both together
897
01:06:13,584 --> 01:06:16,876
was creating
an even stronger
context for belief.
898
01:06:21,709 --> 01:06:26,417
That's kind of how
Santa Claus works
or is perceived to work.
899
01:06:27,417 --> 01:06:29,167
Sort of like
"The Believers' Club."
900
01:06:29,250 --> 01:06:33,167
There's this big fear
that if I stop believing
I won't get the presents.
901
01:06:33,250 --> 01:06:36,083
(static)
902
01:06:36,167 --> 01:06:38,834
What is the benefit
of being a believer?
903
01:06:40,792 --> 01:06:43,959
Feeling like you're special,
you're a part of something,
904
01:06:44,042 --> 01:06:47,918
that you can become
a part of just by believing.
905
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:50,751
That's a lot easier
than a lot of other clubs,
906
01:06:50,834 --> 01:06:52,542
you know,
especially at that age.
907
01:06:52,626 --> 01:06:56,334
But all you need to do
for the Slenderman club
is just believe.
908
01:06:56,417 --> 01:06:59,584
♪ ♪
909
01:07:26,375 --> 01:07:28,876
Blank:
If there's one thing the cult
of Slenderman is about,
910
01:07:28,959 --> 01:07:33,292
it's about making
it all believable,
911
01:07:33,375 --> 01:07:36,334
especially by remaining
unverifiable.
912
01:07:36,417 --> 01:07:40,459
And that's
really kind of how
folk belief works.
913
01:07:40,542 --> 01:07:43,167
Because you can't prove
beyond a shadow of a doubt
914
01:07:43,250 --> 01:07:45,876
that Slenderman
is fake or real.
(mouse clicking)
915
01:08:17,209 --> 01:08:18,334
Boy:
Hey, guys, it's Shane.
916
01:08:18,417 --> 01:08:22,417
So, ever since I found out
about Slenderman,
917
01:08:22,500 --> 01:08:26,918
he's been haunting my dreams,
like every single dream.
918
01:08:27,000 --> 01:08:28,918
And I'm really scared,
919
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,125
so I'm going to show you
a picture--
920
01:08:31,209 --> 01:08:35,584
I'm-- I'm just going to show you
some pictures that I got of him.
921
01:08:35,667 --> 01:08:36,792
There it is.
Look at this.
922
01:08:36,876 --> 01:08:38,334
Look right there
in the background.
923
01:08:38,417 --> 01:08:39,834
Right there.
Boy: See, it's Slenderman.
924
01:08:39,918 --> 01:08:41,959
Shane:
That's my-- that's my sister
when she was young.
925
01:08:42,042 --> 01:08:44,542
And then we found that
in the background.
926
01:08:45,751 --> 01:08:48,709
Oh, it's really scary.
Um, Bye.
927
01:08:50,209 --> 01:08:51,918
(mouse clicks)
(birds chirping)
928
01:08:52,000 --> 01:08:53,250
Cartwheel.
929
01:08:54,542 --> 01:08:55,876
(boy clears throat)
Round off.
930
01:08:57,626 --> 01:09:00,459
Boy: Oh my god,
my stomach is killing me.
Back walkover.
931
01:09:01,918 --> 01:09:03,709
Crappy back walkover.
932
01:09:04,667 --> 01:09:06,876
Boy 2: Mine-- ugh.
Mine, too.
933
01:09:06,959 --> 01:09:08,167
Back walkover.
934
01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:11,083
(boy burps)
Oh my god.
935
01:09:11,167 --> 01:09:15,125
Round off.
Boy: Sam, we need to do--
Sam, we need to do this later.
936
01:09:15,209 --> 01:09:16,500
Can you go
a little bit longer?
937
01:09:16,584 --> 01:09:18,876
Boy:
No, we'll just stop
this one and then we'll...
938
01:09:18,959 --> 01:09:21,250
and then we'll just do
another one later,
939
01:09:21,334 --> 01:09:24,334
'cause my st--
oh my god, I feel like I'm
about to throw up right now.
940
01:09:24,417 --> 01:09:26,417
All right, just hurry up
and do one more.
941
01:09:29,709 --> 01:09:32,834
Boy:
What the fuck?
Oh my God! Run! Run!
942
01:09:32,918 --> 01:09:35,292
Run! Run!
Oh my god, run! No, run!
943
01:09:36,292 --> 01:09:37,459
(shouting)
944
01:09:37,542 --> 01:09:40,292
Hope:
The moment you know about him,
he knows about you.
945
01:09:40,375 --> 01:09:42,918
(girl whimpers)
Boy: Oh my god,
I'm so scared right now.
946
01:09:43,000 --> 01:09:45,667
Hope:
Like there's no way
to summon him,
947
01:09:45,751 --> 01:09:49,459
but there's no way
to get him to, like, stop
following you around.
948
01:09:50,375 --> 01:09:51,459
(mouse clicks)
949
01:09:52,876 --> 01:09:55,292
I remember
when I was like 13,
950
01:09:55,375 --> 01:09:57,709
one of my birthday parties,
we had this big plan
951
01:09:57,792 --> 01:10:00,751
me and three of my friends
were all going to get together,
952
01:10:00,834 --> 01:10:02,000
we were going to bring
our cameras
953
01:10:02,083 --> 01:10:03,292
and sneak out into the woods
954
01:10:03,375 --> 01:10:05,125
and try to find him
with our cameras.
955
01:10:05,209 --> 01:10:07,375
And I was out there
for like two hours.
956
01:10:08,459 --> 01:10:10,209
If I encountered him...
957
01:10:11,292 --> 01:10:13,751
I would explain myself
and be like,
958
01:10:13,834 --> 01:10:15,042
"I don't think
you're that bad.
959
01:10:15,125 --> 01:10:17,125
"Personally, I think
you're kind of cool.
960
01:10:17,209 --> 01:10:19,083
I wouldn't mind doing
what you're doing."
961
01:10:19,167 --> 01:10:21,000
♪ ♪
962
01:10:22,959 --> 01:10:25,417
Since I had
no social life back then,
963
01:10:25,500 --> 01:10:28,125
basically my whole life
was on the Internet.
964
01:10:28,209 --> 01:10:31,834
And since
it was there, like, 24/7...
965
01:10:33,375 --> 01:10:37,125
I would just gradually get
more and more attached to it.
966
01:10:37,209 --> 01:10:40,542
And the thing
that kept coming up
would be Slenderman.
967
01:10:44,834 --> 01:10:48,751
Back then I believed,
like every fiber in my body,
he was real.
968
01:10:48,834 --> 01:10:50,292
♪ ♪
969
01:10:50,375 --> 01:10:52,751
(footsteps)
970
01:10:55,459 --> 01:10:56,375
(mouse clicks)
971
01:10:56,459 --> 01:10:59,250
All right,
and the game
has started.
972
01:11:04,375 --> 01:11:06,375
(crickets chirping)
973
01:11:09,584 --> 01:11:13,500
(ominous music playing)
974
01:11:18,709 --> 01:11:21,125
Dawkins:
If everybody knows
that is Slenderman,
975
01:11:21,209 --> 01:11:25,375
then I think
that's sufficient
to define it as a replicator.
976
01:11:27,292 --> 01:11:29,209
(paper rustles)
977
01:11:29,292 --> 01:11:32,751
Genetic viruses spread
from body to body.
978
01:11:32,834 --> 01:11:36,500
And so... a meme that
has great spreadability...
979
01:11:36,584 --> 01:11:39,459
deserves to be called
a virus of the mind.
980
01:11:39,542 --> 01:11:41,209
Girl:
Ooh! A note.
Girl 2: No!
981
01:11:41,292 --> 01:11:43,042
No, I don't wanna get it.
No, you have to get it.
982
01:11:43,125 --> 01:11:45,500
You have to get it. You have to.
You get it.
Then he's gonna come.
983
01:11:45,584 --> 01:11:46,792
Get it.
Okay.
984
01:11:46,876 --> 01:11:49,375
Just keep walking.
Just keep walking.
Why?
985
01:11:49,459 --> 01:11:50,834
Because he's finding you!
986
01:11:50,918 --> 01:11:52,959
Dawkins:
A virus of the mind spreads
987
01:11:53,042 --> 01:11:57,417
by being listened to or seen
by the sense organs.
988
01:11:57,500 --> 01:12:00,792
♪ ♪
(footsteps)
989
01:12:00,876 --> 01:12:02,334
When one brain picks it up,
990
01:12:02,417 --> 01:12:04,751
it will have a tendency
to pass it on to another brain
991
01:12:04,834 --> 01:12:08,000
and another brain and so on,
so it will spread exponentially.
992
01:12:12,042 --> 01:12:14,083
(musical sting)
(girls scream, laugh)
993
01:12:14,167 --> 01:12:15,375
(cries)
994
01:12:15,459 --> 01:12:17,125
(footsteps)
995
01:12:17,209 --> 01:12:19,876
Dawkins:
And it's empirical fact
that this happens.
996
01:12:19,959 --> 01:12:22,083
The Slenderman case
is a very powerful example
997
01:12:22,167 --> 01:12:27,083
of peer-to-peer
horizontal transmission.
It does happen.
998
01:12:27,167 --> 01:12:28,334
(musical sting)
999
01:12:28,417 --> 01:12:30,417
(static)
1000
01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:41,042
(keys jingling)
1001
01:12:42,375 --> 01:12:43,542
Bill:
Meow, meow, kitty.
1002
01:12:44,626 --> 01:12:46,876
(meows)
That's right, come here.
1003
01:12:48,626 --> 01:12:51,083
Were you sleeping as usual?
Yes, you were.
1004
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:53,500
(meows)
(mimics meow)
1005
01:12:55,167 --> 01:12:56,250
Stand up straight.
1006
01:13:01,876 --> 01:13:05,959
I think you should wear
your badge from Webelos Camp...
1007
01:13:06,042 --> 01:13:08,709
because there's only
two people in your whole pack
that have that badge.
1008
01:13:08,792 --> 01:13:12,459
Aiden: Okay.
Bill: All right.
All your pins are secure?
1009
01:13:12,542 --> 01:13:16,375
Aiden: Yes.
Bill: You don't want
to be losing them. Right?
1010
01:13:16,459 --> 01:13:18,834
Aiden: Yeah.
Life is good.
1011
01:13:18,918 --> 01:13:20,417
You're all geared up,
all right?
1012
01:13:20,500 --> 01:13:23,167
Aiden: Okay.
Get ready to put
that thing away. All right?
1013
01:13:23,250 --> 01:13:25,876
Okay.
Bill: I don't want
to get any grief about,
1014
01:13:25,959 --> 01:13:28,584
"Oh I just got
to finish this level,"
or whatever else.
1015
01:13:28,667 --> 01:13:29,918
All right?
1016
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:31,209
(mutters)
Aiden?
1017
01:13:32,417 --> 01:13:33,417
Yeah.
1018
01:13:39,500 --> 01:13:40,500
Yay?
1019
01:13:41,626 --> 01:13:43,334
Are you okay, Aiden?
Aiden: Yeah.
1020
01:13:43,417 --> 01:13:45,459
You sound
a little sniffley.
1021
01:13:45,542 --> 01:13:49,250
This whole event,
from start to finish,
has been a tragedy.
1022
01:13:51,709 --> 01:13:54,375
But you have to be angry
at the situation.
1023
01:13:54,459 --> 01:13:56,250
I'm angry at the situation...
1024
01:13:57,792 --> 01:14:00,167
and my daughter
is not the one...
1025
01:14:01,209 --> 01:14:02,542
that spent upwards
of seven days
1026
01:14:02,626 --> 01:14:05,125
in the hospital
recovering from this.
1027
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:06,876
And I'm angry
about the situation.
1028
01:14:06,959 --> 01:14:09,083
So, if I'm angry about it...
1029
01:14:09,167 --> 01:14:13,292
you know, this other family
sure as hell has a right
to be angry about it.
1030
01:14:14,876 --> 01:14:16,250
You know, they could...
1031
01:14:19,834 --> 01:14:22,667
you know, slam the door
in my face, or, you know,
1032
01:14:22,751 --> 01:14:25,876
punch me in the face
and knock me on my ass
and you know...
1033
01:14:26,959 --> 01:14:30,000
they would probably
be justified in doing so.
1034
01:14:31,459 --> 01:14:33,876
I'm sure they have a lot
of the same questions I do.
1035
01:14:36,250 --> 01:14:41,584
Attorney 2: Did you come
to any conclusions about Anissa,
as far as a diagnosis?
1036
01:14:43,125 --> 01:14:45,667
The predisposing
characteristics that...
1037
01:14:45,751 --> 01:14:49,292
made her susceptible
to the delusional disorder...
1038
01:14:50,334 --> 01:14:53,375
is what's referred
to as a schizotypy.
1039
01:14:53,459 --> 01:14:56,167
It's a diminished ability
to determine
1040
01:14:56,250 --> 01:14:58,000
what's real
and what's not real.
1041
01:14:58,083 --> 01:15:01,209
A lot of people have
varying degrees of this.
1042
01:15:01,292 --> 01:15:05,667
Adults may have,
simply, eccentric religious
or spiritual beliefs
1043
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:08,918
or... conspiratorial beliefs
or things like that
1044
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:11,626
and live out their life
with no problems at all.
1045
01:15:12,709 --> 01:15:14,250
I've done
quite a bit
of research
1046
01:15:14,334 --> 01:15:17,584
on the early stages
of psychopathic personality
1047
01:15:17,667 --> 01:15:19,918
in adolescents
over the last 20 years.
1048
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:23,167
Attorney 2:
Based on your experiences
and testing of Anissa,
1049
01:15:23,250 --> 01:15:25,792
she does not carry
that particular diagnosis.
1050
01:15:25,876 --> 01:15:27,083
No. She doesn't have--
1051
01:15:27,167 --> 01:15:29,959
she has, really,
no characteristics
of a psychopath
1052
01:15:30,042 --> 01:15:32,709
or a sociopath
or anything like that.
Attorney 2: Okay.
1053
01:15:32,792 --> 01:15:36,792
♪ ♪
1054
01:15:41,125 --> 01:15:44,626
Fisher:
Morgan and Anissa came out
of the bathroom.
1055
01:15:48,417 --> 01:15:51,500
Payton said
that she didn't want
to play hide and seek,
1056
01:15:51,584 --> 01:15:53,209
but Morgan said
that the next game
1057
01:15:53,292 --> 01:15:55,876
that they played
could be her choice.
1058
01:16:04,125 --> 01:16:05,584
♪ ♪
1059
01:16:07,125 --> 01:16:09,167
Payton said that...
1060
01:16:09,250 --> 01:16:13,542
Anissa pulled her deeper
and deeper into the woods.
1061
01:16:15,500 --> 01:16:17,000
(Casey speaks
on video)
1062
01:16:39,417 --> 01:16:40,459
And then...
1063
01:16:51,709 --> 01:16:52,834
Anissa says, "Now!"
1064
01:16:55,125 --> 01:16:57,334
And Anissa turns her back.
1065
01:17:06,542 --> 01:17:10,834
Morgan got on top
of Payton's legs.
1066
01:17:10,918 --> 01:17:16,209
She sat on her legs,
and then she got her face
real close to Payton
1067
01:17:16,292 --> 01:17:20,542
and whispered in her ear,
"I'm so sorry."
1068
01:17:20,626 --> 01:17:23,000
♪ ♪
1069
01:17:23,083 --> 01:17:25,042
And then started stabbing her.
1070
01:18:04,209 --> 01:18:07,626
Attorney:
What, ultimately,
was Morgan diagnosed with?
1071
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:14,417
The final diagnosis,
both in the psychological report
1072
01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:18,167
and in my report
are schizophrenia,
1073
01:18:18,250 --> 01:18:22,042
unspecified, 295.90...
1074
01:18:24,083 --> 01:18:28,584
oppositional
defiant disorder, 313.81...
1075
01:18:29,626 --> 01:18:34,500
and bronchial asthma,
mild, intermittent, J45.2.
1076
01:18:36,083 --> 01:18:38,709
♪ ♪
1077
01:18:47,709 --> 01:18:49,417
Attorney:
What is schizophrenia?
1078
01:18:51,042 --> 01:18:54,667
Casimir:
Schizophrenia is
one of the most serious
1079
01:18:54,751 --> 01:18:57,083
and one of the most studied
1080
01:18:57,167 --> 01:19:00,459
mental illnesses
of human beings.
1081
01:19:00,542 --> 01:19:05,042
Approximately 1%
of the population succumbs
to schizophrenia.
1082
01:19:06,918 --> 01:19:08,751
It is a psychotic illness.
1083
01:19:08,834 --> 01:19:13,083
It's through a combination
of genetic predisposition
1084
01:19:13,167 --> 01:19:16,334
and then stress
placed on the person
1085
01:19:16,417 --> 01:19:18,918
to begin
manifesting symptoms.
1086
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:21,834
♪ ♪
1087
01:19:27,083 --> 01:19:30,417
Patients lose track of reality
in a number of ways.
1088
01:19:30,500 --> 01:19:32,417
One would be hallucinations.
1089
01:19:32,500 --> 01:19:35,500
One could hear voices,
one could see visions,
1090
01:19:35,584 --> 01:19:37,792
one could feel
things crawling on them.
1091
01:19:39,292 --> 01:19:41,042
Delusions,
on the other hand,
1092
01:19:41,125 --> 01:19:42,959
don't have to do
with sensing something,
1093
01:19:43,042 --> 01:19:44,459
they have to do
with a thought.
1094
01:19:44,542 --> 01:19:49,000
So, for example,
believing that Slenderman
is real is a delusion.
1095
01:19:50,209 --> 01:19:53,626
Saying that you saw Slenderman
is a visual hallucination.
1096
01:19:53,709 --> 01:19:57,792
(leaves rustling)
(Robert Niesen laughs)
1097
01:19:57,876 --> 01:20:00,500
Is the pile
getting bigger?
1098
01:20:03,292 --> 01:20:05,459
Ha! (laughs)
1099
01:20:09,500 --> 01:20:10,667
Diana Niesen:
Jumping in the leaves.
1100
01:20:10,751 --> 01:20:13,209
Robert:
And that's one
of my favorites.
1101
01:20:13,292 --> 01:20:16,542
I raked up a bunch of leaves
in the back yard and...
1102
01:20:16,626 --> 01:20:19,334
she came flying in.
(laughs)
Diana: Nice action shot.
1103
01:20:22,417 --> 01:20:24,167
Diana:
Yeah, it's hard
for us to imagine
1104
01:20:24,250 --> 01:20:25,584
that she was
having problems.
1105
01:20:27,250 --> 01:20:28,667
It's hard to process.
1106
01:20:30,459 --> 01:20:33,000
None of us...
saw this coming.
1107
01:20:37,584 --> 01:20:39,542
Angie:
Morgan recalls having
1108
01:20:39,626 --> 01:20:42,083
hallucinations
as early as three.
1109
01:20:42,167 --> 01:20:44,626
She remembers...
1110
01:20:44,709 --> 01:20:48,417
seeing ghosts at night,
as young as three,
1111
01:20:48,500 --> 01:20:51,125
that would bite her
and pull her hair.
1112
01:20:52,167 --> 01:20:53,334
But from
what I understand,
1113
01:20:53,417 --> 01:20:57,292
for the most part
they were friendly, too.
1114
01:20:57,375 --> 01:21:02,334
She even said that she--
she tried to tell us
about it once,
1115
01:21:02,417 --> 01:21:04,918
and that we just told her
to go back to bed,
1116
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,542
but I don't have
any recollection of that.
1117
01:21:09,292 --> 01:21:12,000
And really,
how often do your children
1118
01:21:12,083 --> 01:21:15,042
tell you at bedtime that
they're seeing something
1119
01:21:15,125 --> 01:21:16,500
or hearing something
when they're that age?
1120
01:21:16,584 --> 01:21:20,292
"A monster's in my closet,"
or "something's under my bed,"
1121
01:21:20,375 --> 01:21:23,125
you know, just because
they don't want to go to bed.
1122
01:21:24,500 --> 01:21:26,083
It's hard
because I haven't been able
1123
01:21:26,167 --> 01:21:29,083
to discuss these things
with Morgan,
1124
01:21:29,167 --> 01:21:31,918
because she's
been incarcerated...
1125
01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:36,042
for the entire time
that I've-- I've known...
1126
01:21:36,125 --> 01:21:38,417
that she's--
that she's had
these symptoms.
1127
01:21:40,751 --> 01:21:44,209
Brooke Lundbohm:
She expressed the ability
to see and hear things
1128
01:21:44,292 --> 01:21:47,667
that other people are
not able to hear or see.
1129
01:21:47,751 --> 01:21:49,500
Things like unicorns.
1130
01:21:49,584 --> 01:21:52,167
She at one point digressed
1131
01:21:52,250 --> 01:21:53,918
into fairly rambling discussion
1132
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:56,500
about a student in her class
being a pegasus.
1133
01:21:56,584 --> 01:21:58,751
When I saw her last week,
a few days before,
1134
01:21:58,834 --> 01:22:01,167
Snape had come to visit her
and kept her up
1135
01:22:01,250 --> 01:22:03,834
until 3:00 in the morning,
by Morgan's report.
1136
01:22:03,918 --> 01:22:05,667
Attorney: Snape?
Snape.
1137
01:22:05,751 --> 01:22:08,417
Attorney:
Who is that?
A "Harry Potter" character.
1138
01:22:08,500 --> 01:22:11,167
She also will say not just
that she's heard things,
1139
01:22:11,250 --> 01:22:12,834
but that since
as early as three,
1140
01:22:12,918 --> 01:22:16,375
she's had some
sensory-perceptual
distortions.
1141
01:22:16,459 --> 01:22:20,417
She might see a person
change slightly or see colors.
1142
01:22:20,500 --> 01:22:23,334
She doesn't...
have much concern
1143
01:22:23,417 --> 01:22:25,626
about whether she gets
a long prison sentence,
1144
01:22:25,709 --> 01:22:30,167
because, wherever she is,
she will use Vulcan mind control
1145
01:22:30,250 --> 01:22:34,459
to make herself feel,
to make herself believe
whatever she likes.
1146
01:22:34,542 --> 01:22:37,959
And so, even under
very stressful circumstances,
1147
01:22:38,042 --> 01:22:40,375
she doesn't feel
the stress because of this--
1148
01:22:40,459 --> 01:22:43,292
what she described
to be Vulcan mind control.
1149
01:22:43,375 --> 01:22:45,375
Attorney 2:
How about her-- her cell?
1150
01:22:45,459 --> 01:22:48,292
I would consider
her cell disorganized.
1151
01:22:48,375 --> 01:22:52,500
She has papers scattered
about the floor.
1152
01:22:52,584 --> 01:22:54,709
Attorney 2:
Have you ever suggested
picking them up?
1153
01:22:54,792 --> 01:23:00,459
Officer Simon: Yes, I have.
And she stated that she
liked the papers there
1154
01:23:00,542 --> 01:23:03,584
because they made it feel
less empty.
1155
01:23:03,667 --> 01:23:05,876
Attorney 2:
And she is in the room alone?
Officer Simon: Correct.
1156
01:23:06,792 --> 01:23:08,626
She said,
"Seeing my friends,
1157
01:23:08,709 --> 01:23:10,292
"none of these things
are dangerous.
1158
01:23:10,375 --> 01:23:13,167
These friends can't disappear.
They're important to me."
1159
01:23:13,250 --> 01:23:16,542
Attorney:
Was she referring to real world
friends or fictional friends?
1160
01:23:16,626 --> 01:23:17,876
Fictional, I believe.
1161
01:23:17,959 --> 01:23:21,292
Attorney 2: She's not allowed
to hug her family or touch them?
1162
01:23:21,375 --> 01:23:25,000
Not in our facility.
Attorney 2: Right.
1163
01:23:25,083 --> 01:23:28,584
She made clear
that her primary concern
1164
01:23:28,667 --> 01:23:31,459
was with her relationship
with Slenderman,
1165
01:23:31,542 --> 01:23:35,083
and she felt like
if she says the wrong thing,
1166
01:23:35,167 --> 01:23:37,417
if she somehow
upsets Slenderman,
1167
01:23:37,500 --> 01:23:41,709
not only hers
but her family's lives
could be in danger.
1168
01:23:43,751 --> 01:23:46,083
With childhood schizophrenia,
1169
01:23:46,167 --> 01:23:48,876
almost everyone
develops, eventually,
1170
01:23:48,959 --> 01:23:52,083
negative symptoms
and cognitive symptoms.
1171
01:23:53,125 --> 01:23:56,709
What's unique
about Morgan's circumstance
1172
01:23:56,792 --> 01:23:59,959
is that a severe course
is so predictable.
1173
01:24:15,209 --> 01:24:20,626
Well, we knew her diagnosis
before we went to meet them
at the hospital.
1174
01:24:20,709 --> 01:24:24,375
We had a conference call
with two of the doctors,
1175
01:24:24,459 --> 01:24:26,083
so we were--
we were prepared.
1176
01:24:26,167 --> 01:24:29,250
And the reason that
we all went up there, actually,
1177
01:24:29,334 --> 01:24:31,751
was so that
we could tell Morgan
1178
01:24:31,834 --> 01:24:33,667
what her diagnosis was.
1179
01:24:33,751 --> 01:24:37,334
And we thought
that it would be helpful
for her to know
1180
01:24:37,417 --> 01:24:39,667
that her father also...
1181
01:24:40,626 --> 01:24:42,584
had the same mental illness,
1182
01:24:42,667 --> 01:24:46,792
because we had
never told her previously
that Matt had schizophrenia.
1183
01:24:48,250 --> 01:24:51,083
We were very worried
about the way that
she might react
1184
01:24:51,167 --> 01:24:54,209
to learning that
she has schizophrenia
1185
01:24:54,292 --> 01:24:56,542
because Morgan--
Morgan's a very smart girl,
1186
01:24:56,626 --> 01:24:59,250
and she's been reading...
Matt: Which makes me think
that she knew.
1187
01:24:59,334 --> 01:25:03,334
Yeah.
I think when they told her,
she was probably like...
1188
01:25:03,417 --> 01:25:05,459
Not surprised.
..."Well, that's what
I would've guessed...
1189
01:25:06,626 --> 01:25:09,083
if I had
to diagnose myself."
1190
01:25:11,209 --> 01:25:13,417
Angie:
What I think is
that Morgan knows
1191
01:25:13,500 --> 01:25:16,751
that other people
don't see her hallucinations,
1192
01:25:16,834 --> 01:25:19,083
but they're still
very real to her.
1193
01:25:19,167 --> 01:25:20,959
Like, in her head
they are real,
1194
01:25:21,042 --> 01:25:22,792
and they're
there with her.
1195
01:25:22,876 --> 01:25:24,959
They're there.
Angie: But I think
that she knows
1196
01:25:25,042 --> 01:25:27,042
that other people
don't see them.
1197
01:25:27,125 --> 01:25:30,083
Otherwise, why would
she make an attempt to...
1198
01:25:30,167 --> 01:25:32,584
Cover it up. Mm-hmm.
Angie:
...hide them from us, exactly.
1199
01:25:32,667 --> 01:25:34,042
It's because
she doesn't want to lose them.
1200
01:25:34,125 --> 01:25:36,125
She's afraid they would
be taken from her.
1201
01:25:42,292 --> 01:25:44,542
Angie:
This is the doll house,
1202
01:25:44,626 --> 01:25:46,792
or the components
for a doll house,
1203
01:25:46,876 --> 01:25:48,959
that Morgan made
while she was housed
1204
01:25:49,042 --> 01:25:52,000
at Washington County
Juvenile Detention Center.
1205
01:25:53,500 --> 01:25:56,250
And she just put so much...
1206
01:25:57,125 --> 01:25:59,834
detail into it, it's amazing.
1207
01:25:59,918 --> 01:26:02,667
She's not allowed
to have scissors,
1208
01:26:02,751 --> 01:26:04,751
so all of these--
1209
01:26:04,834 --> 01:26:10,000
all of these
tiny little pieces
she ripped by hand.
1210
01:26:10,083 --> 01:26:11,542
This is a television,
and these are
1211
01:26:11,626 --> 01:26:15,542
some of her
little cartoon characters
that she likes to draw.
1212
01:26:15,626 --> 01:26:18,250
This actually, I think,
is a character
1213
01:26:18,334 --> 01:26:20,209
that's modeled after Spock.
1214
01:26:20,292 --> 01:26:23,292
When I watched her
do a couple of the dolls
1215
01:26:23,375 --> 01:26:26,584
and the--
and the clothing,
1216
01:26:26,667 --> 01:26:30,375
and she said what was
surprising is how few times
she had to start over.
1217
01:26:30,459 --> 01:26:34,334
Like, she was able to just
be meticulous about--
Here's some food.
1218
01:26:34,417 --> 01:26:37,751
I think this is salad
and a piece of pizza.
A salad and a piece of pizza.
1219
01:26:37,834 --> 01:26:41,375
Here's a little
laptop computer.
1220
01:26:41,459 --> 01:26:44,167
See there's even
detail on the screen.
1221
01:26:46,792 --> 01:26:50,125
Look at the cute little heart
on the front of the computer.
1222
01:26:51,083 --> 01:26:52,834
This looks like
it's another TV.
1223
01:26:52,918 --> 01:26:56,125
Oh, and there's--
how appropriate.
1224
01:26:56,209 --> 01:26:59,542
There's a courtroom drama
playing in the background.
1225
01:27:00,959 --> 01:27:04,626
When I ask her
what she wants to watch
on TV that night--
1226
01:27:04,709 --> 01:27:07,876
it's one of the things
I usually ask her when
I talk to her on the phone--
1227
01:27:07,959 --> 01:27:12,375
she'll say that it depends
on whose turn it is to decide.
1228
01:27:12,459 --> 01:27:14,709
And she's in a cell by herself,
1229
01:27:14,792 --> 01:27:17,918
so she's the only person there.
1230
01:27:18,000 --> 01:27:20,918
♪ ♪
1231
01:27:41,417 --> 01:27:45,667
I do a lot of stuff
with running numbers
in my head.
1232
01:27:48,751 --> 01:27:50,000
I do...
1233
01:27:52,584 --> 01:27:58,125
I try to put up static,
almost, is how I describe it.
1234
01:28:00,000 --> 01:28:02,918
I wish that I could talk
to her about--
1235
01:28:03,000 --> 01:28:07,042
like, I have-- right now,
there's like patterns
1236
01:28:07,125 --> 01:28:12,500
of light
and geometric shapes
1237
01:28:12,584 --> 01:28:14,417
that's, like, always racing.
1238
01:28:15,375 --> 01:28:17,000
Like always,
like right now.
1239
01:28:17,083 --> 01:28:21,083
Pshew, pshew, pshew,
pshew, pshew, pshew.
1240
01:28:21,167 --> 01:28:24,042
I always wanted to know
if she sees that stuff, too.
1241
01:28:25,792 --> 01:28:30,167
Everything seems normal
to me, because it's--
it's my everything.
1242
01:28:30,250 --> 01:28:32,626
This is how
I've always seen things.
1243
01:28:34,459 --> 01:28:36,667
So, it doesn't seem weird
to me that like,
1244
01:28:36,751 --> 01:28:38,709
"Oh that's not how
you see street lights?"
1245
01:28:38,792 --> 01:28:41,751
or "Oh, that's weird."
1246
01:28:41,834 --> 01:28:44,792
I don't know if that was
everyone that had like
a weird little visual...
1247
01:28:46,083 --> 01:28:47,125
thing going on...
1248
01:28:47,209 --> 01:28:50,500
like the glaring demon, devil.
1249
01:28:50,584 --> 01:28:54,667
Like that you're like,
"Okay, this is clearly
not real."
1250
01:28:54,751 --> 01:28:57,042
But it doesn't matter.
Like, I've had where...
1251
01:28:58,834 --> 01:29:00,083
like you...
1252
01:29:01,667 --> 01:29:06,500
you can see it
and you know it's not real...
1253
01:29:06,584 --> 01:29:09,167
but it totally doesn't matter,
because you're still
terrified of it.
1254
01:29:09,250 --> 01:29:11,500
Like, I know that there's...
1255
01:29:12,751 --> 01:29:15,500
I know the devil's
not in the backseat,
1256
01:29:15,584 --> 01:29:19,584
but the devil is
in the backseat.
You know?
1257
01:29:24,292 --> 01:29:25,876
Yeah, sometimes
you know it's not real,
1258
01:29:25,959 --> 01:29:30,209
but it still smells, tastes,
and looks real, so it's real.
1259
01:29:30,292 --> 01:29:32,792
♪ ♪
1260
01:29:39,125 --> 01:29:40,876
Attorney:
Could you just describe,
in general terms,
1261
01:29:41,000 --> 01:29:43,542
what you found in the bedroom
when you went through it?
1262
01:29:43,626 --> 01:29:49,292
There were...
numerous... notebooks
1263
01:29:49,375 --> 01:29:53,667
and pieces of paper
with drawings
1264
01:29:53,751 --> 01:29:59,209
and writings pertaining
to the Slenderman character.
1265
01:30:03,250 --> 01:30:06,375
♪ ♪
1266
01:30:39,375 --> 01:30:41,334
Attorney:
Where was
all this stuff located?
1267
01:30:43,626 --> 01:30:45,292
All in Morgan's bedroom.
1268
01:30:52,209 --> 01:30:55,792
Collins:
When you ask Morgan...
1269
01:30:55,876 --> 01:30:58,459
"What if Slenderman
doesn't exist?"
1270
01:30:59,375 --> 01:31:00,792
She can't tolerate that.
1271
01:31:00,876 --> 01:31:02,459
She becomes
somewhat oppositional,
1272
01:31:02,542 --> 01:31:04,667
and says
she knows it's true,
1273
01:31:04,751 --> 01:31:08,042
and it can't
be proven untrue,
so it's true.
1274
01:31:08,125 --> 01:31:09,209
Attorney:
Did Morgan use the words
1275
01:31:09,292 --> 01:31:10,876
"It had to be done?"
Yes.
1276
01:31:10,959 --> 01:31:13,209
Attorney: Did you
tell her to say that?
I did not.
1277
01:31:13,292 --> 01:31:15,667
Attorney: She's volunteering
this to you?
Correct.
1278
01:31:15,751 --> 01:31:17,042
(pen scratching)
1279
01:31:17,125 --> 01:31:18,918
Attorney:
That seems like
an unusual thing to say.
1280
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:21,876
It does.
Attorney: Did you ask her
what she meant by that?
1281
01:31:21,959 --> 01:31:26,167
I did.
Attorney: And did you have
to ask her multiple times?
1282
01:31:26,250 --> 01:31:27,250
I did.
1283
01:31:27,334 --> 01:31:29,500
Attorney:
Okay, after you asked her
multiple times
1284
01:31:29,584 --> 01:31:32,417
what she meant
by "It had to be done,"
1285
01:31:32,500 --> 01:31:34,667
what did she offer you
or what did she say?
1286
01:31:34,751 --> 01:31:36,751
She told me
that the man ordered it.
1287
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,375
(attorney speaks)
1288
01:31:42,459 --> 01:31:43,417
Grunke:
Yes, I did.
1289
01:31:43,500 --> 01:31:44,500
(attorney speaks)
1290
01:31:44,584 --> 01:31:45,626
She held up three fingers.
1291
01:31:45,709 --> 01:31:48,083
Attorney: Like three?
Three.
1292
01:31:48,167 --> 01:31:51,334
Attorney: What did that--
did you try to understand
what that meant?
1293
01:31:51,417 --> 01:31:53,626
I asked her if that meant
three years ago,
1294
01:31:53,709 --> 01:31:56,751
and she said,
"No, at age three."
1295
01:31:56,834 --> 01:32:00,751
She believed that
she communicated telepathically
1296
01:32:00,834 --> 01:32:03,876
with Slenderman, and that...
1297
01:32:03,959 --> 01:32:07,375
once the communication began,
that she had to do
1298
01:32:07,459 --> 01:32:10,042
what it was
that Slenderman demanded.
1299
01:32:10,125 --> 01:32:12,042
Attorney 2:
And if she didn't do
what was demanded,
1300
01:32:12,125 --> 01:32:13,542
her family
wouldn't be safe?
1301
01:32:13,626 --> 01:32:16,209
Robbins:
She wouldn't be safe,
her family wouldn't be safe.
1302
01:32:16,292 --> 01:32:18,834
Attorney 2:
Dr. Robbins,
was Morgan's entry
1303
01:32:18,918 --> 01:32:23,292
into this particular crime
because of her psychosis?
1304
01:32:27,167 --> 01:32:28,500
I believe so.
1305
01:32:34,292 --> 01:32:37,500
Casimir:
It bears saying
that schizophrenia,
1306
01:32:37,584 --> 01:32:42,125
in and of itself,
is not a dangerous illness.
1307
01:32:42,209 --> 01:32:45,125
There are many 35-year-olds
who have schizophrenia
1308
01:32:45,209 --> 01:32:47,918
who don't have
to be incarcerated,
1309
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:50,709
who can be managed
in a community.
1310
01:32:50,792 --> 01:32:54,209
However, there's
a second part to that.
1311
01:32:54,292 --> 01:32:59,918
When your delusion--
when your fixed delusion
1312
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:01,959
tells you to kill people...
1313
01:33:03,500 --> 01:33:05,792
and when your...
1314
01:33:05,876 --> 01:33:10,042
insight doesn't allow you
to seek treatment,
1315
01:33:11,167 --> 01:33:13,709
then schizophrenia
becomes dangerous.
1316
01:33:13,792 --> 01:33:16,292
It is a dangerous
illness untreated...
1317
01:33:17,334 --> 01:33:19,792
and hence...
we're here.
1318
01:33:20,751 --> 01:33:23,459
(chattering)
(birds chirping)
1319
01:33:25,292 --> 01:33:28,667
Matt:
You are just so lost
in your illness
1320
01:33:28,751 --> 01:33:31,751
that no one knew about...
1321
01:33:31,834 --> 01:33:35,083
and then for people just
to hate her like that,
just hate you--
1322
01:33:35,167 --> 01:33:37,209
"I hate that little girl.
I hope she burns."
1323
01:33:37,292 --> 01:33:40,834
Like, having people
call my house and tell me,
1324
01:33:40,918 --> 01:33:44,125
"You're going to burn in hell
and so is your daughter."
1325
01:33:46,626 --> 01:33:48,626
People don't
understand that...
1326
01:33:49,500 --> 01:33:52,042
(emotionally)
she loves Bella.
1327
01:33:52,125 --> 01:33:54,459
We love Bella...
1328
01:33:55,792 --> 01:34:00,083
so much, and she still talks
about her like they're friends.
1329
01:34:04,125 --> 01:34:08,876
Oh my god.
She loves her
like I love her.
1330
01:34:11,083 --> 01:34:15,334
And like, for people
to talk about her the way
they do, it's like--
1331
01:34:15,417 --> 01:34:18,709
Morgan loved Bella.
She's-- like, how sick are you
1332
01:34:18,792 --> 01:34:21,042
that you would do that
to your best friend?
1333
01:34:21,125 --> 01:34:23,709
Because you're afraid
of something happening,
1334
01:34:23,792 --> 01:34:26,584
or because you want
something happen.
1335
01:34:26,667 --> 01:34:29,292
You want
to become something...
1336
01:34:29,375 --> 01:34:33,083
because your illness
dictated that this is
something you need to be.
1337
01:34:34,334 --> 01:34:36,167
Just blows me away...
1338
01:34:37,334 --> 01:34:40,375
that people are like that.
It just makes me sad.
1339
01:34:40,459 --> 01:34:42,292
(sniffles)
I wish people knew.
1340
01:34:42,375 --> 01:34:45,250
(crying)
♪ ♪
1341
01:34:57,959 --> 01:34:59,918
(Morgan speaking)
1342
01:35:13,918 --> 01:35:15,626
(whistling)
1343
01:35:20,542 --> 01:35:22,375
(Anissa speaking
on video)
1344
01:35:24,209 --> 01:35:25,292
(speaks indistinctly)
1345
01:35:25,375 --> 01:35:27,000
(Anissa speaking
on video)
1346
01:35:28,334 --> 01:35:29,459
(Anissa sighs)
1347
01:35:56,000 --> 01:35:58,542
♪ ♪
1348
01:36:00,417 --> 01:36:01,584
(clears throat)
1349
01:36:14,292 --> 01:36:16,959
(Trussoni speaking)
1350
01:36:21,500 --> 01:36:22,542
(Anissa speaks)
1351
01:36:23,500 --> 01:36:25,709
(Trussoni speaking)
1352
01:36:38,417 --> 01:36:40,000
(Trussoni speaking)
1353
01:36:43,167 --> 01:36:47,417
The regular ones are
just the regular cat treats
that you're used to.
1354
01:36:47,500 --> 01:36:49,667
Just to say,
"I love you, kitty."
1355
01:36:49,751 --> 01:36:53,000
Cat Snacks are only 2.99
at your local grocery store.
1356
01:36:54,292 --> 01:36:55,334
(Casey speaks)
1357
01:36:56,292 --> 01:36:57,584
(Morgan speaking)
1358
01:37:02,167 --> 01:37:03,250
Attorney:
Thank you.
1359
01:37:04,584 --> 01:37:07,542
Detective, did you have
a chance to watch
that compilation?
1360
01:37:08,584 --> 01:37:09,959
I saw the compilation.
1361
01:37:10,042 --> 01:37:12,542
Attorney:
And would you agree
that that's you present
1362
01:37:12,626 --> 01:37:14,375
in that room
with Morgan Geyser?
1363
01:37:15,334 --> 01:37:16,542
Those were...
1364
01:37:16,626 --> 01:37:18,417
pieces of the interview
1365
01:37:18,500 --> 01:37:21,417
that was me
and Morgan together.
1366
01:37:21,500 --> 01:37:23,959
Attorney:
Did you tell Morgan she could
have parents available
1367
01:37:24,042 --> 01:37:26,083
to talk to before
you interrogated her?
1368
01:37:26,167 --> 01:37:28,751
I did not tell her that,
because that wasn't an option.
1369
01:37:28,834 --> 01:37:30,709
Attorney:
You weren't going to let
her parents be present?
1370
01:37:30,792 --> 01:37:33,667
Correct.
Attorney: Or let her even have
a phone call to talk to them?
1371
01:37:35,209 --> 01:37:38,375
Um, we did not offer her
a phone call.
1372
01:37:40,334 --> 01:37:43,083
Attorney:
At some point were you
provided with Anissa's phone?
1373
01:37:43,167 --> 01:37:45,375
Casey: Yes, I was.
Attorney: Did you have
a chance to look
1374
01:37:45,459 --> 01:37:48,500
at any of the... messages
on that phone?
1375
01:37:48,584 --> 01:37:49,918
Yes, I did.
1376
01:37:50,000 --> 01:37:52,626
It says,
"This is my final wish
to those who care..."
1377
01:38:00,584 --> 01:38:03,250
♪ ♪
1378
01:38:08,876 --> 01:38:11,167
(crying)
1379
01:38:32,792 --> 01:38:33,918
Trussoni:
Mm-hmm.
1380
01:38:38,667 --> 01:38:41,918
♪ ♪
1381
01:38:56,834 --> 01:38:59,626
(church bell ringing)
1382
01:39:02,375 --> 01:39:04,000
Attorney:
Where did you locate
the suspects?
1383
01:39:04,083 --> 01:39:07,959
Thom Moerman:
They were located right
by I-94 in Waukesha County.
1384
01:39:08,042 --> 01:39:10,292
Attorney:
Did you notice anything
1385
01:39:10,375 --> 01:39:12,459
about Anissa's
emotional state
1386
01:39:12,542 --> 01:39:13,918
when you
had contact with her?
1387
01:39:15,250 --> 01:39:16,876
She said she was scared,
1388
01:39:16,959 --> 01:39:19,167
and I asked what was
she scared of?
1389
01:39:19,250 --> 01:39:21,125
Attorney: And do you recall
what she said to you?
1390
01:39:21,209 --> 01:39:24,083
She made mention
that if she told me,
1391
01:39:24,167 --> 01:39:25,667
I would think
that she was crazy,
1392
01:39:25,751 --> 01:39:28,709
and I told her
that I didn't think
anybody was crazy.
1393
01:39:31,334 --> 01:39:32,250
Trussoni:
Okay.
1394
01:39:32,334 --> 01:39:34,792
(exhales)
(clattering)
1395
01:39:44,667 --> 01:39:46,584
(mutters)
1396
01:39:56,334 --> 01:39:58,292
(breathes shakily)
1397
01:40:01,417 --> 01:40:03,292
(Trussoni speaks
on video)
1398
01:40:04,250 --> 01:40:06,459
(Anissa speaking)
1399
01:40:21,375 --> 01:40:23,167
(Morgan speaking)
1400
01:40:25,334 --> 01:40:26,584
(Casey speaking)
1401
01:40:39,167 --> 01:40:41,667
(cellphone playing tune)
(speaks indistinctly)
1402
01:40:48,209 --> 01:40:49,542
Can you ask the question
again please?
1403
01:40:49,626 --> 01:40:51,626
Attorney 2:
One of the first communications
1404
01:40:51,709 --> 01:40:53,834
before any
of the search requests
1405
01:40:53,918 --> 01:40:55,459
was found
on Anissa's phone
1406
01:40:55,542 --> 01:40:56,918
that was provided
by her parents, correct?
1407
01:40:57,000 --> 01:40:59,417
Correct.
Attorney 2: It was basically
a goodbye letter.
1408
01:41:00,709 --> 01:41:01,792
Correct?
Yes.
1409
01:41:03,167 --> 01:41:05,125
Attorney 2:
And basically indicated that
1410
01:41:05,209 --> 01:41:07,209
people should remember
who she was,
1411
01:41:07,292 --> 01:41:09,667
not grieve for her...
1412
01:41:09,751 --> 01:41:11,292
and that she
wouldn't do them harm.
1413
01:41:11,375 --> 01:41:13,876
Correct.
Attorney 2:
Nothing further, Your Honor.
1414
01:41:13,959 --> 01:41:17,000
♪ ♪
1415
01:41:19,751 --> 01:41:22,959
(character blabbering on iPad)
1416
01:41:24,417 --> 01:41:27,417
Bill:
Aiden? Wrap it up, chief.
we got places to go.
1417
01:41:27,500 --> 01:41:31,042
All right? We have
to run over to the school
1418
01:41:31,125 --> 01:41:35,000
for a mandatory meeting
about iPads--
1419
01:41:35,083 --> 01:41:36,709
setting up their iPad...
1420
01:41:37,584 --> 01:41:39,751
and using
their iPad, and...
1421
01:41:41,542 --> 01:41:43,042
the disadvantages
they'll be at
1422
01:41:43,125 --> 01:41:45,500
if they're not allowed
to use their iPad.
1423
01:41:46,751 --> 01:41:48,667
(sighs)
You know?
1424
01:41:48,751 --> 01:41:52,292
I don't think
anybody can really,
you know, begrudge me
1425
01:41:52,375 --> 01:41:54,083
for thinking
the way I do about...
1426
01:41:55,375 --> 01:41:57,000
a bunch of fifth graders
getting iPads.
1427
01:41:57,083 --> 01:41:59,626
You know,
based on what this family
has been through.
1428
01:41:59,709 --> 01:42:01,417
At the same token...
1429
01:42:04,876 --> 01:42:07,417
you know, I don't want
to hinder his learning.
1430
01:42:08,375 --> 01:42:10,083
(blabbering)
1431
01:42:12,417 --> 01:42:14,626
Bill:
I guess I just need to...
1432
01:42:14,709 --> 01:42:16,667
get over
my own reservations
about it.
1433
01:42:18,292 --> 01:42:19,667
And about the iPads.
1434
01:42:21,751 --> 01:42:23,667
If I'd had my way,
he wouldn't have one.
1435
01:42:26,667 --> 01:42:29,792
You have a child that is...
1436
01:42:32,042 --> 01:42:35,542
incarcerated, for lack
of a better term...
1437
01:42:35,626 --> 01:42:37,167
but your other life
still has to go on,
1438
01:42:37,250 --> 01:42:40,083
so you still have to be able
to support your other children
1439
01:42:40,167 --> 01:42:43,000
with the activities
that they're in, and...
1440
01:42:43,083 --> 01:42:45,667
you do your best
to support your children
1441
01:42:45,751 --> 01:42:47,417
that you can't
have access to...
1442
01:42:48,876 --> 01:42:51,918
and have to explain
to Anissa that,
1443
01:42:52,000 --> 01:42:54,417
"Well, I might not be able
to come up on Tuesday,
1444
01:42:54,500 --> 01:42:56,542
"because Aiden has
a pack meeting.
1445
01:42:56,626 --> 01:42:58,209
I have to be there
for that."
1446
01:42:59,918 --> 01:43:03,792
I've had
conversations with...
my oldest son.
1447
01:43:03,876 --> 01:43:07,292
I was out in the backyard.
He comes outside, he says
to me, "What's wrong?"
1448
01:43:07,375 --> 01:43:11,334
(clock ticking)
1449
01:43:31,375 --> 01:43:33,250
(breathes deeply)
1450
01:43:39,042 --> 01:43:40,459
That's when I told him...
1451
01:43:40,542 --> 01:43:42,459
it's just stressful
as hell...
1452
01:43:45,250 --> 01:43:50,167
trying to keep
everything as balanced
as it can possibly be.
1453
01:43:53,292 --> 01:43:55,792
(sighs)
You never get
a day off...
1454
01:44:00,042 --> 01:44:01,542
(emotionally)
and it wears on you.
1455
01:44:05,792 --> 01:44:07,626
It just really wears
the shit outta ya.
1456
01:44:10,167 --> 01:44:14,500
Because you have
to do so much more...
1457
01:44:17,375 --> 01:44:19,375
to try to keep everybody
1458
01:44:19,459 --> 01:44:22,626
in a positive place,
including yourself.
1459
01:44:29,042 --> 01:44:30,042
It's...
1460
01:44:31,542 --> 01:44:32,959
It's mentally...
1461
01:44:34,167 --> 01:44:38,667
and emotionally
and physically just draining.
1462
01:44:43,709 --> 01:44:45,250
(sniffles)
1463
01:44:51,292 --> 01:44:53,167
(birds chirping)
1464
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:58,751
Angie:
I knew it was
always a risk,
1465
01:44:58,834 --> 01:45:02,292
simply because of... genetics
1466
01:45:02,375 --> 01:45:05,709
that one of our children
might develop schizophrenia.
1467
01:45:07,626 --> 01:45:09,959
I never thought something
like this would happen.
1468
01:45:12,042 --> 01:45:13,417
Matt is so...
1469
01:45:15,125 --> 01:45:19,042
He's so high functioning
and he's so... stable.
1470
01:45:20,542 --> 01:45:23,834
I just know
that he's developed
an awareness
1471
01:45:23,918 --> 01:45:26,042
of what's real
and what's not.
1472
01:45:27,792 --> 01:45:30,000
And I think,
for Morgan,
1473
01:45:30,083 --> 01:45:31,959
those lines are
still pretty blurry...
1474
01:45:34,667 --> 01:45:36,500
but it's all
still very real to her.
1475
01:45:36,584 --> 01:45:39,375
♪ ♪
1476
01:45:39,459 --> 01:45:44,000
In general,
Morgan's just becoming
more and more lost
1477
01:45:44,083 --> 01:45:46,500
and involved
in this world
1478
01:45:46,584 --> 01:45:49,292
of imaginary friends
that she has.
1479
01:45:51,417 --> 01:45:55,667
The best possible situation
would be that she ends up
in an environment
1480
01:45:55,751 --> 01:45:58,000
where she can
receive treatment
for her schizophrenia,
1481
01:45:58,083 --> 01:46:00,918
and that would be
a psychiatric facility.
1482
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:03,667
Not prison.
She can't go to prison.
1483
01:46:03,751 --> 01:46:06,042
♪ ♪
1484
01:46:07,626 --> 01:46:10,792
I think
it's kind of cruel
of the courts...
1485
01:46:12,250 --> 01:46:15,417
to have a law where
you can take two girls
1486
01:46:15,500 --> 01:46:17,959
who are not
troublemakers prior...
1487
01:46:20,042 --> 01:46:23,000
And they did not try
to hide what they did.
1488
01:46:23,083 --> 01:46:25,500
They did not lie
about what they did.
1489
01:46:25,584 --> 01:46:27,334
They were
very truthful for it.
1490
01:46:27,417 --> 01:46:30,918
And it's like they're being
punished extra because of it.
1491
01:46:33,918 --> 01:46:36,751
Well, let's hope the judge
is gonna have some good news.
1492
01:46:38,042 --> 01:46:40,167
Some very good news.
1493
01:46:40,250 --> 01:46:43,167
The two young girls
accused of stabbing
their classmate
1494
01:46:43,250 --> 01:46:44,500
are back in court.
1495
01:46:44,584 --> 01:46:46,209
WISN 12 news'
Hillary Mintz
1496
01:46:46,292 --> 01:46:48,417
is live in Waukesha County
with the very latest.
1497
01:46:48,500 --> 01:46:49,751
Hillary.
Well, Melinda,
1498
01:46:49,834 --> 01:46:52,375
for pretty much the past year
since the stabbing happened,
1499
01:46:52,459 --> 01:46:54,709
a judge here
at the county courthouse
1500
01:46:54,792 --> 01:46:57,000
has been trying to figure out
"Should Morgan Geyser
1501
01:46:57,083 --> 01:47:00,083
and Anissa Weier be tried
as adults or juveniles?"
1502
01:47:00,167 --> 01:47:02,375
That decision is expected
to come today,
1503
01:47:02,459 --> 01:47:06,167
and the stakes
in that decision
are extremely high.
1504
01:47:06,250 --> 01:47:08,834
♪ ♪
1505
01:47:08,918 --> 01:47:11,167
The victim,
13-year-old Payton Leutner,
1506
01:47:11,250 --> 01:47:12,667
has physically recovered,
1507
01:47:12,751 --> 01:47:14,626
but they say
she is still dealing
1508
01:47:14,709 --> 01:47:16,667
with the emotional damage.
1509
01:47:16,751 --> 01:47:19,709
♪ ♪
1510
01:47:37,834 --> 01:47:41,000
The court's prepared
to proceed with the ruling.
1511
01:47:47,375 --> 01:47:50,500
The court easily finds
that this is a violent,
1512
01:47:50,584 --> 01:47:53,083
premeditated,
personal offense.
1513
01:47:53,167 --> 01:47:54,959
There was
a conscious decision made
1514
01:47:55,042 --> 01:47:57,667
at the time of the offense
to let the victim die.
1515
01:47:59,042 --> 01:48:02,167
They told P.L.
that they would leave
to get her help.
1516
01:48:02,250 --> 01:48:04,209
They did leave...
1517
01:48:04,292 --> 01:48:07,500
and they left, walking
to the Nicolet National Forest
1518
01:48:07,584 --> 01:48:09,209
to locate
the Slenderman Mansion
1519
01:48:09,292 --> 01:48:11,000
and then meet up
with Slenderman.
1520
01:48:12,584 --> 01:48:14,918
This is charged
as an attempted murder,
1521
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,250
but you have
to keep in mind
for both defendants
1522
01:48:17,334 --> 01:48:20,709
that this was in fact--
this was an effort
to kill someone,
1523
01:48:20,792 --> 01:48:22,834
not a mistake
by hitting them too hard,
1524
01:48:22,918 --> 01:48:25,542
not a mistake
by pushing them
too hard.
1525
01:48:26,918 --> 01:48:28,417
The issue
of brain development
1526
01:48:28,500 --> 01:48:30,751
is important
for the court to consider.
1527
01:48:30,834 --> 01:48:33,250
They were young
when the offense occurred,
1528
01:48:33,334 --> 01:48:35,500
but they get older
every day, frankly.
1529
01:48:35,584 --> 01:48:37,167
They're a year older today.
1530
01:48:39,417 --> 01:48:41,959
But what happens at age 18?
And in this court's view,
1531
01:48:42,042 --> 01:48:45,709
that's a critical factor
for the court to evaluate.
1532
01:48:46,792 --> 01:48:48,792
There would be
no oversight, no control,
1533
01:48:48,876 --> 01:48:52,626
no ways to ensure
public safety.
1534
01:48:52,709 --> 01:48:54,959
They've committed
an offense that is serious.
1535
01:48:55,042 --> 01:48:56,709
It's-- it's, frankly, vicious.
1536
01:48:56,792 --> 01:49:00,000
There has to be assurance that
that doesn't happen again,
1537
01:49:00,083 --> 01:49:01,834
that a serious offense
1538
01:49:01,918 --> 01:49:04,542
is dealt with
on a serious basis
1539
01:49:04,626 --> 01:49:06,542
that offers protections
to everyone.
1540
01:49:06,626 --> 01:49:09,918
On that basis then,
I'll order that the defendants,
1541
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,584
Ms. Geyser and Ms. Weier,
1542
01:49:11,667 --> 01:49:14,334
be retained
in the adult jurisdiction.
1543
01:49:14,417 --> 01:49:15,667
As so ordered.
1544
01:49:19,459 --> 01:49:21,667
Nick Bohr:
There were tears and some
surprise here in court
1545
01:49:21,751 --> 01:49:25,125
as a judge denied a motion
by lawyers for both girls
1546
01:49:25,209 --> 01:49:27,834
to have their cases handled
in juvenile court.
1547
01:49:27,918 --> 01:49:29,667
Anissa Weier's lawyer
went on to say
1548
01:49:29,751 --> 01:49:32,584
they'll be discussing
the possibility of an appeal.
1549
01:49:32,667 --> 01:49:35,751
The victim's father here said
they wouldn't be commenting,
1550
01:49:35,834 --> 01:49:38,417
though the family
did appear to be upbeat
1551
01:49:38,500 --> 01:49:39,792
following this decision.
1552
01:49:39,876 --> 01:49:42,834
♪ ♪
1553
01:50:03,083 --> 01:50:06,375
Bill:
I'm sure that they would
have been found eventually.
1554
01:50:06,459 --> 01:50:09,751
I think they never would have
made it to the state forest.
1555
01:50:11,918 --> 01:50:15,125
From Waukesha
to the Nicolet State Forest
1556
01:50:15,209 --> 01:50:17,792
is a good four-
to five-hour drive.
1557
01:50:17,876 --> 01:50:20,375
And they thought
they were going to walk that?
1558
01:50:21,834 --> 01:50:27,167
They had no idea
of what it would take
to walk that distance.
1559
01:50:30,542 --> 01:50:37,792
The judge ordered
that Anissa have no contact
with the Internet.
1560
01:50:39,709 --> 01:50:41,792
The judge also ordered
that, you know,
1561
01:50:41,876 --> 01:50:44,542
she have no contact
with the co-defendant.
1562
01:50:44,626 --> 01:50:47,125
♪ ♪
1563
01:50:53,459 --> 01:50:57,417
Angie:
Morgan has no access
to the outdoors.
1564
01:50:58,834 --> 01:51:02,250
Not even a window
to look out.
1565
01:51:03,334 --> 01:51:06,167
Morgan says that
this doesn't bother her,
1566
01:51:06,250 --> 01:51:09,667
because she doesn't want
to go outside anymore.
1567
01:51:09,751 --> 01:51:12,083
(birds chirping)
1568
01:51:13,792 --> 01:51:19,876
One of the things
that Anissa and her
had talked about was,
1569
01:51:19,959 --> 01:51:21,626
no matter what happened...
1570
01:51:22,459 --> 01:51:24,459
they would
always be together.
1571
01:51:25,584 --> 01:51:28,375
(crow caws)
(no discernible dialog)
1572
01:51:28,459 --> 01:51:30,709
♪ ♪
1573
01:51:43,459 --> 01:51:46,250
(chains clinking)
(camera clicking)
1574
01:52:00,542 --> 01:52:04,042
(mouse clicking)
(camera clicking)
1575
01:52:04,125 --> 01:52:05,626
(woman coughs)
(whispering)
1576
01:52:11,375 --> 01:52:13,751
♪ ♪
1577
01:52:35,918 --> 01:52:37,000
(mouse clicks)
1578
01:52:39,292 --> 01:52:43,459
♪ ♪
1579
01:52:54,542 --> 01:52:57,209
(church bell ringing)
1580
01:53:51,417 --> 01:53:54,834
♪ ♪
1581
01:54:42,042 --> 01:54:44,667
(hums)
(pen scratches)